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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2012 17:33 pm 
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Hi everyone
I recently bought the Airfix Control Tower and I am not that keen on the Paint scheme that airfix has provided does enyone have any ideas on other colour scheme for it if you do can you please let me know,

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RAF buildings were disruptively painted according to local requirements in terms of landscape appearance and colours.  The idea being to break up the hard images when viewed from certain altitudes,  angles and  distances.  It was therefore a compromise since any one design could not fit all conditions and circumstances.  The paints were all specially formulated for use on brick and concrete, asbestos, steel and other metals and glass.  The colours had been selected from a range of camouflage colours formulated in early 1941 for use on military vehicles, buildings and other structures.  Most of these colours are in BS.987C 'Camouflage Colours' issued in 1942.  This book also has the colours used on Army and RAF vehicle from 1941 until 1946. To see a copy you will have to visit the British Institute Library as they no longer loan out books.


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Something like this wouldn't be to far out ...

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an extention to the original Airfix tower

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The model is not quite right in colour and style.  Black or SCC1A very dark brown was used to blend in areas of the building where the shadows normally fell, i.e. on the north east to north western sides.  Higher contrast colours are more usual since closely toned colours blended into a single tone at distance.  You need to disguise windows as these stand out as regular rectangles at distance.  The same principles applied to buildings as vehicles.  Colour areas should be horizontal/diagonal as vertical rarely occur in nature.


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Mikestarmer:412478 wrote:
areas of the building where the shadows normally fell, i.e. on the north east to north western sides.
I posted comments and pics in Airfield Control Tower threads some time back hope they help

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I don't understand how to do these quote attachments.....my apologies

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Mike, just copy the address box and paste it in  :wink:

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Mikestarmer:411141 wrote:
RAF buildings were disruptively painted according to local requirements in terms of landscape appearance and colours....
Hi Mike just to add,  It is now apparent that BS 987c  was originally published by the Civil Defence Camouflage Establishment ( CDCE) as CDCE spec 987  and this predates dec 1939.   The AM published sheets to give guidance on camo schemes for various building types. pre mid 43   the schemes were often 3 or 4 colours- Black No 14 seems to be the most common with the other colours drawn from the chart to match as you say the local terrian. In addition to breaking up features some AM sheets offerred schemes that were intended to change the complete look of a building so it resembled a civvy house, barn shed etc. later than mid 43 schemes seem to be less complex often just 2 colours .  

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Not the Control tower: When I was at RAF Colerne for a while, the billets, blocks and hangars were painted dark earth with a disruptive very dark green stripe. No it weren't war time but the paint hadn't completely worn off. And in sheltered areas and on less used buildings it looked original. Some of the green stripe had a black line edge and we thought that was the guide line - like in childrens' colouring books.

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Mikestarmer:412478 wrote:
The model is not quite right in colour and style.  Black or SCC1A very dark brown was used to blend in areas of the building where the shadows normally fell, i.e. on the north east to north western sides.  Higher contrast colours are more usual since closely toned colours blended into a single tone at distance.  You need to disguise windows as these stand out as regular rectangles at distance.  The same principles applied to buildings as vehicles.  Colour areas should be horizontal/diagonal as vertical rarely occur in nature.
Although i dont doubt what you are saying is historically correct, i have numerous photos showing differing styles of camo. Early, 39-40 RAF stations were painted in dark earth with a disruptive 'black' pattern. Other photos show more than two colours used, 41-42,  and also the aerial i have of my local station appear to have two colours that are merely up and over the buildings, 1943,  but no doubt a wavy pattern. (Some find it hard to image the roof being painted ??)
Thing is its extremely hard to find photos that suit individual builds but of a few i have seen, they are two colours, Bottesford being one in colour, and i have to say that my diorama buildings are based around that photo because both 'my' station and Bottesford were constructed about the same time.
I aslo firmly believe that as the air-raid threat was much reduced by 1943 alot of buildings were simply two colours and some,  just the one ...

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Mikestarmer:412478 wrote:
....  Colour areas should be horizontal/diagonal as vertical rarely occur in nature.
There's always the exception to proove the rule. There is a famous building here [N.I.] which had ornamental trees planted in rows leading to it. During the wartime it was painted to look like an extensionof theses rows, ie it had vertical dark lines. The last of these lines weren't scubbed off until the early 1970s.

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I have gathered a fair number of aerial shots of my last station, and from the beginning of the war to the later part there was a real change in camo style. Throughout the RAF much more effort was initially put into what were termed expansion period aerodromes because they had been built with buildings very close together in a symetrical layout,  the more austere stations built from mid 39 onwards were more dispersed and appear to have much simpler patterns,  these simpler patterns were then applied to the expansion period stations as they needed a repaint; Leuchars was totally repainted early 1943 to a simpler pattern.  High tonal contrast seems to apply in all cases- however unlike buildings in the " frontline " or tactical situation  there is no evidence of the principle of darkening window areas on bomber or other inland stations.  The attached is near Norwich, not far from the N Sea  it has  lots of tonal difference but no attempt to hide windows.   I think the key to the difference is - buildings that come under the realms of MTP 46 along with vehicles, were painted to make its layout and  construction difficult for a near or middle distance observer , whereas on aerodromes and other such facilities the patterns were designed to confuse  aircraft flying and therefore delay recognition of the target to render attack inaccurate. AP 3236 published after the war as a record of Air Ministry WORKs during the period 1939-45 gives the criteria as 10,000ft at 6 miles or at 300ft at 2 and a third miles in fine weather and 5000ft at 3 and half miles in cloudy conditions.
So from this I would conclude that Lincolnlancs style is correct for an austere build station such as his.  My only thought would be one of the colours could be either SCC1a  a very dark brown or SCC14 black to increase tonal difference.  In the attached pic,  is a 3-possibly 4 colour scheme on an expansion period station.
 I think it is a little light in colour.  certainly black has been used, with the earthy colour possibly being SCC2 or 4    and the third colour a grey possibly SCC12;  Ian SCC2 we are familiar with,  SCC4 is described in the BS as a weak cup of tea, SCC12 as a cold grey.
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Ted, I have a mix for SCC 4 and SCC 5 if you need them.


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I would be very grateful  
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In case anyone besides Ted might like to know about these camouflage colours for buildings the mixes that I formulated are:-

SCC.4 (light brown)  16 x Humbrol 29 + 1 x H74. [As of 1980]
SCC. 12 (grey) 4 x H67 + 2 x H118 + 1 x 34.  [As of 2001]
The names in brackets are not official names for these colours, as they were not named, but as guide to their appearance.  These were matched as near as possible to the original BS 987 colour book standards.

I do realise that Humbrol may have changed their colours since then, as they are wont to do, but these will get you close to what you need on a model.


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Thanks Mike,  safely recorded .
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LincolnOllie:409082 wrote:
does enyone have any ideas on other colour scheme for it if you do can you please let me know,

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I have to say that the new artwork on the Airfix Tower, A03380, looks really good and the artwork is so much more appealing than the old from 1960??

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