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PostPosted: Thu 09 Oct 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Airfix Aircraft Carrier Group Build - Chat. Reply with quote

Welcome to the Airfix Aircraft Carrier Group Build, for which JackJ is group build leader.  This is the "Chat" thread for the GB and any reference material should be posted in the Reference Section. The GB will run from 15/10/08 to 15/12/08.

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PostPosted: Thu 09 Oct 2008 14:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any Aircraft Carrier can be built as long as its from an airfix box.
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct 2008 13:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure if this is the correct place so apologies if not

Some may know already about Tumbling Dice, but i chanced upon them and saw they do 1/600 aircraft at a reasonable price.

http://www.tumblingdiceuk.com/index.html

click on the appropriate era.

There is also a link to Dom's Decals if you want the markings!

The aircraft that come with the Victorious would not necessarily have been together- Sea Vixens were only a passing guest onboard butvthey are a favourite of mine.  As I have a Xtrakit FAW2 with markings for Victorious I am going to keep them, and get something suitable to match!

i think i might get some Gannets and Buccaneers if suitable.
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Oct 2008 16:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone brave enough to build the Moskva or the Forrestal ? I remember seeing them in Woolco in the late 70s but never had enough pocket money to purchase them.

I did however build the Ark Royal and Victorious in the 70s and I think they are still in my brothers attic. My Father was a Fleet Chief in the RN and was based at the RN dockyard in Singapore when the ship caught fire thus cementing its doom and preventing it from been converted to operate F-4Ks. Not bad for a WW2 carrier.
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Oct 2008 17:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My Father was a Fleet Chief in the RN and was based at the RN dockyard in Singapore when the ship caught fire thus cementing its doom and preventing it from been converted to operate F-4Ks. Not bad for a WW2 carrier.


Not 100% sure but i don't think the fire damage was that extensive
Thomas- yup just checked - guess wot done for the old gal?

(Sorry, no prizes for guessing)
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Oct 2008 17:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fire damage was the excuse the government needed to lay her to rest as they were trying to run down the carrier fleet. They had already cancelled the CVA-01 carrier class (Queen Elizabeth) and their defence ships. The Type 82 HMS Bristol Cruiser was the only one completed.  They also got their mits into preventing HMS Hermes from been converted to operate F-4Ks. It was converted into a commando ship to replace HMS Albion. F-4Ks now that would have given the Argentines something more to think about in the Falklands
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Oct 2008 00:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can some one more experienced answer some questions please?

1. Would it be a good idea to put some sort of blanking behind the wash hole things (technical term)



2.  i assume some of the fine raised lines on the hull and deck are painting guides that can be removed?

3.  the deck is given as HU117, US light green   surely the deck was grey?

thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Oct 2008 16:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

walrus wrote:
1. Would it be a good idea to put some sort of blanking behind the wash hole things (technical term)

2.  i assume some of the fine raised lines on the hull and deck are painting guides that can be removed?

3.  the deck is given as HU117, US light green   surely the deck was grey?

Not more experienced, but here's my take  
1. I'm gonna paint the interior black  
2. I thought most of them are meant to be there    check out the references I posted  
3. IIRC some were green and some grey, but I've not found a colour pic of Victorious' flight deck yet  
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Oct 2008 21:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not more experienced, but here's my take  
1. I'm gonna paint the interior black  
2. I thought most of them are meant to be there    check out the references I posted  
3. IIRC some were green and some grey, but I've not found a colour pic of Victorious' flight deck yet  :roll


sorry Ratch I guess i shoulda made myself clearer.

was going to paint it black... but not sure if you should be able to see straight through the other side.

the raised lines refers to the horizontal line that runes all along the side of the hull, which seems to suggest a demarcation between colours, NOT the netting/ ropework that IS supposed to be there.

Similarly I don't mean the arrestor wires but the longitudinal/diagonal lines that seem to suggest colour demarcation.

looking at the b/w pics there appears to be different shades of decking- but have not seen a colour pic.  iirc the instructions suggest that the entire deck is green.  

by the way thanks for the links in the ref. section Ratch- my email notification system seems to be hit or miss at the moment- i didn't know they were there till last night when i discovered them by accident!
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Oct 2008 08:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walrus wrote:
was going to paint it black... but not sure if you should be able to see straight through the other side. 

I'll have to leave that to those more knowledgeable than me  
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the raised lines refers to the horizontal line that runes all along the side of the hull, which seems to suggest a demarcation between colours, NOT the netting/ ropework that IS supposed to be there.
Similarly I don't mean the arrestor wires but the longitudinal/diagonal lines that seem to suggest colour demarcation.  

I see what you mean, and think you're right - they're guidelines for markings  
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looking at the b/w pics there appears to be different shades of decking- but have not seen a colour pic.  iirc the instructions suggest that the entire deck is green.  

Might that be the effects of weathering (regardless of the colour)  
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Oct 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Might that be the effects of weathering (regardless of the colour)  


Sorry Ratch - must learn to be specific- on some pics i have seen there are distinct straight edged variaions of tone - presumably to indicate differing status or function of the areas- wll try and post something to illustrate.
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Oct 2008 14:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3.  the deck is given as HU117, US light green   surely the deck was grey?


Isn't it dependant on what year you are modelling HMS Victorious? I know that when researching for my HMS Fearless build that she had green decks up until the late 70s, then they were re-painted grey.
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Oct 2008 15:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Paul- will have a little time for research so will try and check it out- from an aesthetic point of view 117 would be prettier  
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Oct 2008 17:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is definitely superstructure seen through the big hole things in the hull-i am gonna blank it off

the horizontal raised line is a stringer line and can be see on photos- though at 1/600 guess it isn't crucial.

can't find any reference to green decks

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Oct 2008 16:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't it dependant on what year you are modelling HMS Victorious? I know that when researching for my HMS Fearless build that she had green decks up until the late 70s, then they were re-painted grey.


have it on good authority carrier decks were never green, Paul.
I'm going with the photos i have seen- two tone weathered grey.


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PostPosted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough walrus, was only a thought (plus Fearless wasn't an aircraft carrier anyway, she was an amphibious assault ship).
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem Paul- there may be some reason why the instructions and box art have a green deck- it may have been a short lived experiment ?

My brother served on the Ark and states that carrier decks were not green-photos seem to back it up.  It may have been because of the steel flight deck- don't know about the Fearless flight deck.

so unless anyone knows different...
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have any ideas for the colours of the ships boats and launches for HMS Victorious  
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 17:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

would you adam an eve it!

scroll down and check out the pic of a bucc taking off!

must have been some weird effect of the salt spray to affect the film in the camera?- ahem
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov 2008 02:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all, and Paul (Walrus)

Newbie (to this site, but not to many others)

I was brought up on Airfix kits and I'm really happy to see them still around.

I've joined this GB as I'm building the 1/600 HMS Victorious just now.

I take it that AM PE and some scratchbuilding is allowed?
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