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PostPosted: Sun 25 May 2008 17:28 pm    Post subject: Airfix Seaplane GB - Heinkel51's Hurricane on floats Reply with quote

Progress of Peter's second build can be followed here.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2008 14:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be using the Airfix Hawker Hurricane MkI/II and a pair of floats scrounged from a Frog/Novo Blackburn Shark tp produce a Hawker Hurricane Floatplane. One Airframe was allocated to his project but was never completed. All reference material suggests that the conversion used a pair of floats from the Blackurn Roc which in turn used floats from the Blackurn Shark.  There are few reference drawings for this model, I'll use the side profile and then compare this with a three view drawing of the Roc to give the strut dimesions for the floats. The actual kit for the Hurricane is nicely moulded and free of flash. Decals will be scrounged from the decal bank.


To begin with I'll need to blank of the wheel wells else wise interior construction pretty much OOB.  To the work table.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jun 2008 14:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The project begins with the basic construction of the model OOB. A simple interior

The driver

I then blanked off the wheel well by using used the parts from the kit for the retracted undercarriage and then traced out the gap on some 10 thou card.

Cut to shape and glued in

Basic kit assembled an to be set aside to dry before more surgery.

Turning to the floats, these I have taken from the Frog Blackburn Shark. I used some PVA wood glue and Steel shot to add some ballast to the front of the floats to avoid any nose up attitude later on.


While I still need to do some small modifications to the tail. I started to think about how to go about attaching  the floats themselves. As the only drawing I have is a side on view and looking at the floats I have some suspicions on accuracy I decided use some three view drawings of a Blackburn Roc (which also used the floats from the Blackburn Shark). For this  I scaled up some drawings from William greens Book of Floatplanes of WW2
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jun 2008 22:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming along nicely
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really interested in this build as I have some Shark floats kicking about too.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun 2008 13:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel a little guilty with such slow progress especially as many others seem to be applying themselves.

Floats ready and with the help of the Lego box a small jig to assist with the next step.



A dry run to check for fit against what drawings I have.




The struts will come from the Contrail Wing Strut pack.
Still need to finish off the tail modifcations and fit the air intake. The shark floats get a few mentions for other conversions. I still have another set from which I hope to cast some resin units for other projects.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun 2008 13:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming along well. Was this combo ever flown? What colour scheme are you going for - will it be a 'what if'?
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun 2008 13:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Coming along well. Was this combo ever flown? What colour scheme are you going for - will it be a 'what if'?


My understanding is that the airframe conversion was never completed. Paint scheme will be Hu27, Hu30 upper surfaces (type A pattern) and as it was a prototype Hu24 undersurfaces. No serial therefore restrict myself to national markings with the yellow P from the Altmark sheet.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun 2008 13:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough. I wonder what they intended to use them for.

The Roc on floats was a disaster - dangerous as well as ponderous. I wonder how the Hurri would have turned out.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun 2008 21:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good, nice idea using lego

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Fair enough. I wonder what they intended to use them for.



They would have probably used them with merchant ships (via catapult), that way they would have saved wasting a fighter
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 02:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Roc on floats was a disaster - dangerous as well as ponderous. I wonder how the Hurri would have turned out.

Like a very tough Rufe?  

Very imaginative work as always Peter, love the Lego jig.....What a great idea!  

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 02:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fair enough. I wonder what they intended to use them for.


Project was proposed during the Norwegian campaign evidently to fly out of the fjords come summer. Interest was lost along with the campaign.

Performance - estimated top speed 220 mph no doubt to the considerable strut arrangement for the floats. The Spitfire VB  float plane (which was completed and did fly) by comparison had a top speed of 250 mph at sea level rising to 320 mph at 19,500 ft.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 03:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the same top speed as a He 115 ...
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, the intention was to do the same with the Hurricane as they did with a Spitfire I dubbed 'The Narvik Nightmare'.

This aircraft was very unstable in flight (which it didn't do much of).
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About the same top speed as a He 115 ...


And a Blackburn Roc without floats...
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yep, the intention was to do the same with the Hurricane as they did with a Spitfire I dubbed 'The Narvik Nightmare'.

This aircraft was very unstable in flight (which it didn't do much of).


Actually the Spitfire Mk.I floatplane never flew, it's sea trials were a disaster hence the nick name.  When Supermarine resurrected the idea a year or so later they designed their own floats for it.

In the book Hawker Aircraft since 19?? (and I can't remember the authors name either) there's a couple of photos of the Hurricane on floats.  It shows how the floats were attached but also that the aircraft didn't have outer wings attached
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for clearing that up kitnut617. There is a pic of the floats in Mason's Hawker Hurricane. it's not terribly clear though.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 14:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah! yes that's the author.  Thanks for reminding me what his name is.  Really good book too.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 22:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A search of the local Libaries failed to render up any books on Hurricanes. So going with the detail I have the following shots shows the location points for the struts;


I alsoo finished of the tail by adding a strake, extended trim tab and rudder.

I've decided to finish and paint the actual aircraft before attaching the floats as I think the structure will be a little delicate and not stand up to too much handling.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 23:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a good plan  
Coming along nicely  
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