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 Posted: Thu 30 Oct 2008 15:31 pm Post subject: Airfix Special What-if GB - Chat. |
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Welcome to the Airfix Special What-if GB, for which Rich is group build leader. This is the "Chat" thread for the GB and any reference material should be posted in the Reference Section. The GB will run from 1/12/08 to 31/01/09.
Any Airfix kit, of any scale, of any type, may be used in this GB. There are two parts to this GB, the first is the backstory, this should be an introduction and explanation or story of what you intend to build e.g. "The TSR.2 was never cancelled and entered squadron service and was used during the Falkland's war and the Gulf Wars." The more extensive and convicing the story the better.
The second part is the actual build of the kit. So long as an Airfix kit is used as the base, parts may be used from other kits, aftermarket accessories, resin, photo-etch, decals etc.
I would just request that the subject be a feasible possibility or have a similar working precedent or be based on suggested concept idea, rather than just being the contents of the spares box glued to a random model!
If you wish to take part in the Group Build, you must sign up using the Usergroups link at the top of the screen (above the Log in/Log out link).
Important: Do NOT sign up as a participant of a Group Build if you only want to view the threads!
To take part in the Group Build:
Click on "Usergroups"
In the "Join a Group" section, select "Group Build - Airfix Special What-if GB"
Click "View Information"
Click on "Join Group".
I will then approve your membership.
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| Posted: Thu 30 Oct 2008 16:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in! 
I see a mid 1945 production variant of the Churchill Gun Carrier, (Built on the Airfix MkVII chassis.  ) in the offing.....Or maybe even something just a bit more outlandish! 
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| Posted: Fri 31 Oct 2008 00:27 am Post subject: |
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| I'll toss my hat tinto the ring - Fairey Fulmar as a Fairey P4/34 in Danish Markings. |
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| Posted: Fri 31 Oct 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds interesting. I can see it now, NATO didn' t buy F104s and went for Lightnings instead.
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| Posted: Sat 01 Nov 2008 02:04 am Post subject: |
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...as it should have been.....any-who..don't want to get banned for saying more!, this looks intresting
btw is the Airfix Panther in Africa Corps markings applicable?
(Edit:infact seems not,)
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| Posted: Sun 02 Nov 2008 19:55 pm Post subject: |
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Are we allowed to start planning, and making drawings?
Or are we supposed to wait with all our planning, and scratching head until the ‘GO’ signal?
I have so many ideas right now; it’s hard to wait with the planning process.
All the best from Jesper.
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Richard M
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| Posted: Sun 02 Nov 2008 21:00 pm Post subject: |
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Jesper, plan and draw as much as you want, it's only plastic that can't be touched until the go date. I suspect people will need to get supplies etc ready for the build given it's non-standard format.
Challenger, a Panther in Africa markings would be acceptable, you'll just have to invent a what-if alternative timeline to enable it to happen!
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| Posted: Sun 02 Nov 2008 22:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Richard. 
You can se my preliminary sketch, in my thread.
All the best from Jesper. |
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| I'll be doing a TSR2, as the A&AEE test aircraft for the Skybolt Air Launched Ballistic Missile. The missiles will be from the Sharkit kit. As for livery, I'll be basing the colours on Buccaneer XN923 when it was at the A&AEE. This seems to be based on making the original white colours more visible, with blue and dayglo orange on the nose, tail and wingtips. |
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| Posted: Mon 03 Nov 2008 17:39 pm Post subject: |
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No Fair- i want to play but my brain refuses the imaginative leap required- or has my knowledge of history diminished- or both?
you guys are coming up with some great ideas! |
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| Posted: Tue 04 Nov 2008 02:17 am Post subject: |
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I'm just pending a kit before I sign up - I do have an idea though.
A common theme really - I think it's fair to say most know the story of the Supermarine Spitfire - started out with a 1,000 hp Merlin and finished with a 2,200 hp Griffon engine.
And the Bf109 - Daimler Benz powered with the Spanish making the Bf109G under licence as the HA-1112 'Buchon'- a Merlin engine mated to a 109 airframe - so what if they finished the series with a 2,200 hp Griffon powered HA-1112?
Should be quite interesting with a realistic possibility seeing the same upgrade the Spitfire got.
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| Hangartime wrote: | | so what if they finished the series with a 2,200 hp Griffon powered HA-1112? |
...They would have needed a tricycle undercarriage, that's what!
Seriously, I'd imagine a much-beefed up undercart would be required, with a larger tail or dorsal fin to restore some directional stability. Five-blade prop or contraprops. The bubble canopy from a late Avia 199 would probably be a good idea as well - anything to allow the pilot to get his head a little higher to see over the nose for landing!.
Go for it, I say. What kit are you thinking of taking the nose from? |
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Looks like you and I are thinking along the same lines, I'd already catered for the wider wheels - tall tail of late G series and contraprop to counteract the torque that would overcome full rudder with a single directional prop. You mentioning the Avia bubbletop - you've reminded me I do have one.
Yep, just dug it out - the Falcon Clear vax series for all 1/48 109's. (Set no 50). http://www.falconmodels.co.nz/clearvax/set50.html
Nose section to come from an Airfix 1/48 Seafire F47 - body section Airfix 109F - Tail section to be an Academy 109G-14 and wing bulges for wheels from Academy kit too. Falcon Clear Vax Avia 199 canopy (thanks for reminding me about that). Considering engine weight the body may need to be extended back further from front of cockpit back - so I'll so what comes up from the drawing board - all things considered.
Could you imagine this in a 109 airframe? (see video of Mk58)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Griffon
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Happy to be of service
Can't wait to see what this one looks like. Can't really imagine it yet. |
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| Can't wait to have a go at making a Spitfire biplane |
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| TopGun wrote: | | Can't wait to have a go at making a Spitfire biplane |
err....? 
I've seen pics of the biplane hurri- forgot the name of chap who designed the upper ferry tank wing - Hilson Wing* that's the chap!
but a spit? elucidate if you please my dear Topgun
*I bet Hewman 100 has already got one in his collection, eh Ian! there is a resin conversion kit available for it
Thanks to dogfight doubles and Spanish Civil War talk i thought what if the restriction to supply aircraft trearty that the Fascists so conveniently ignored was waived and Hurricanes could be supplied to the Republicans. It depends on whether i want to sacrifice one of my two 1/72 kits or use my only 1/48 kit or buy another or more for the stash. could use the one in my spares box (the mk1/2 kit)
would look really cool in the republican colours + camo. but would a fabric wingand Watts prop be needed? |
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| Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 00:22 am Post subject: |
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Alternate history dear boy, alternate history.
My what if is "What if the Spitfire had been a biplane instead of a monoplane"
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Go on - I'm sure there's some wild stuff to do with a spit - this was another idea just for fun - the answer to the Dornier 335 - there's whole load of options for practically anything.
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| TopGun wrote: | Alternate history dear boy, alternate history.
My what if is "What if the Spitfire had been a biplane instead of a monoplane" |
But that's ridiculous, Topgun- I might as well say, "what if the Hurricane was a biplane!"
hmmm ...okay, it would have been a Fury...
that is quite something Hangertime! in my opinion, it would look even better with a radial engine as a pusher. probably because the proportions would be more pleasing if not as symmetrical. but it still looks cool |
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| Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 06:36 am Post subject: |
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That's the beauty of What-if, pretty much anything goes, the back story is just as much fun as the build! Can't wait to see some of these!
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