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I got this game about 35 years ago and still have it.  The box is very battered and some of the bits are broken, but it's still all there.  I've wanted for some time to totally renovate it including painting the figures.

I was just wondering if anyone else had or has this game.  It's brilliant, but there don't seem to be many around.  :shock:

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Never seen that before, Alan!

Looks very technical with the pairs of compasses.  Are the figures on the bases from the Airfix HO/OO Waterloo figure sets?

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Yes, David.  They are in the same poses, but in hard plastic. ... Red for the allied forces and blue for the French.  It's a very simple game compared to what real wargamers play, but it's fun.  The idea is for either side to win before the Prussians arrive.  The round thing is a clock which you move on quarter of an hour after both sides have moved.  You'll have to come over when I've got it sorted out and have a game!  :D ... My two girls aren't at all interested.  I think my wife and I had a game about 25 years ago!  :lol:

Some close ups ...

http://www.hat.com/Othr5/Storto02.html

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I'll take you up on that :)

I was given the old "Escape from Colditz" game last Christmas (an eBay find) as I loved that game as a kid but no one to play it with this time round :(

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You'll have to bring it over, David, and we can play that too.  I've never played the Colditz game! ... We've got a spare room and a cat!   :D

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Here is an original advert for it from 1976 on my Vintage Wargaming blog, along with some comments:

http://vintagewargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/airfix-waterloo-wargame.html


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Thanks, Clive!  Love the advert.  £6.49!!!   :idea:

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I seem to remember that set..but I didn´t have enough pennies to buy it.
Looks like it would be a fun game. How long would a game last?

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I seem to remember the game lasted about an hour and a half on average, Paul, but then I was playing my sister or my wife - not the greatest tacticians in the world.  :D   So I guess it could take longer, but I doubt as long as a normal wargame would last - nor as complicated!  It's a great game though.  And it has the advantage of not having squares you have to move in.  The dice are only used to determine the outcome of a skirmish - so a bit like a real wargame, I guess.  It would be certainly a game that would lead people into 'proper' wargaming - although never having played a wargame, I wouldn't really know.  It would be frilliant if Airfix re-released it for the 200th Anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo in 2015!  Maybe I should start a campaign! (no pun intended!)  :D

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Maybe I should start a campaign! (no pun intended!)  :D

Good idea  :thumb:

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I'm not sure how I would go about it, Paul.  I know Steven Pietrobon has fne a great job getting people to sign to try and get Airfix to do a H.M.S. Dreadnought.  Maybe he could give me some tips!  I'm sure wargamers and those with an interst in the Napoleonic period (like me) would be interested. :wink:

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Well, you can count on my vote for sure.
I´ve trawled the web since you posted this..ony found the blog entry (above)  and another at the  boardgame geeks site..nothing else.

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It's worth a go at persuading Airfix, though personally I reckon an 8-figure gift set of the Waterloo 54mm figures with paints, etc. and some sort of base is likelier.

Your idea is the only way I'd buy any of those 1/76 figures though. The French infantry look like one battalion of the Young Guard, the Highlanders are wearing mini skirts and the wrong backpacks, the cuirassiers lack proper furniture and scabbards, and I have no idea what the French artillery are supposed to be firing. The guns are too small and limbers aren't limbers.

The hussars, RHA and Landwehr are pretty good though.

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I think you're right on all counts, Beaufighter, but I was thinking of it more from the point of view of the game and those who are unhappy with the Airfix figures could always improve on them or replace them with more accurate figures.  A re-issue of the 1/32 figures - or even better, the 54mm figures would be great too.  It was them that got me interested in the Napoleonic era in the first place when I was about 14.  And here I am 36 years later!  :)

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Ayup Alan...

That's superb. I think we could do with a shot for the History section Mate. :thumb:


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What kind of shot, Stu?  My set is 'shot' itself just now and the box isn't in good shape!  :idea:

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Ayup Alan...

Just a pic of the Box top and anote of its number. E.G. 01870-2 or whatever.


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O.K., Stu!

I was going to take some more detailed pics of my own to add here so I'll do that, mate! :thumb:

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Here's fome more detailed photos from my own set.  It is rather 'shot' due to it being 35 years old and having moved from house to house during that period and sitting under boxes of other games.  It should give a better idea of the contents though.  

The box ...

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=001.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/001.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=002.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/002.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=003.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/003.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=006.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/006.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The contents are largely broken.  The figures are the 1/72 ones, but in hard red and blue plastic.

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=018.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/018.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The battlefield mat.  This is made of green vinyl.  It's pretty robust, but creases easily so would be best glued onto a baseboard.  It's about 3'x2' in size.

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=007.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/007.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=008.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/008.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=009.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/009.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=010.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/010.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=012.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/012.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The figures.  These are on bases of which decide the number of men.  From ront to back 1,000 - 5,000.  Red are allied troops and blue, French.  There are transfers for each unit and position places on the mat to place them at the start of battle.  I started to paint them years ago, but most of them need repaired now and all need painted.

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=013.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/013.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The instruction and rule book.  This includes a short description of the battle, assembly and painting guides and the rules.  I'll scan the book in full and post a link to the pages here for anyone interested.

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=014.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/014.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The calipers.  There is a set for each player/team.  They are pretty self explanatory.  A straight line under infantry, artillery or cavalry shows how far they can move on road in a go.  A bumpy line underneath is how far they can travel on rough terrain.  And the 10 is whether pieces are in artillery range.  All units are in centimeters. 1cm = 100 yards.

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=015.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/015.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=016.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/016.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The time/loss dial.  Again, self explanatory. Each move the player can move 15,000 troops and then the clock is moved on 15 minutes.  Napoleon has to take 30,000 of Wellington's troops by the time the clock reaches 4.30pm (20th move) otherwise it is assumed that Blucher has arrived in sufficient force to help Wellington to win the battle.

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/?action=view&current=017.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/alancord/ATF/Waterloo%20Wargame/017.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Obviously, alterations could be made.  The figures could be painted and a suitable figure from another manufacturer could be put on the appropriate base for that unit - a rifleman, polish lancer  dragoon etc.  There is a base for Napoleon and one for Wellington which has a flag on it.  I think Revell do Napoleonic commander sets.

The game itself is pretty simple.  Each side moves 15,000 men each turn and then the clock is moved on 15 minutes.  Combat occurs when two or more opposing units come into contact or if they are in range of artillery.  The number of men plus whether Napoleon or Wellington are with them for morale and whether any are in a stronghold and the throw of the dice are all taken into account and the winner decided.  Napoleon must take 30,000 allies by 4.30pm or Wellington wins.  There isn't much more to it than that really, but it's good fun!  :D

I hope the above gives a better idea of what the game involves and what is included in it! :thumb:

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Excellent set of photos and descriptions :thumb:
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 I'll scan the book in full and post a link to the pages here for anyone interested.

I´d be very interested in seeing the rules  :)

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I'll try and do that this evening, Paul as I may be without the internet for a little while from midnight. ... Changing suppliers!  :idea:

I've also altered the title to indicate that it's the Airfix Waterloo Wargame and not a general wargame thread.

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I'll try and do that this evening, Paul as I may be without the internet for a little while from midnight. ... Changing suppliers!  :idea:
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EEK! Changing suppliers!!  :nailbite: ...that has given me no end of trouble in the past..I hope it goes oK for you  :thumb:

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Well no router has arrived so far, Paul, and we are supposed to change at midnight so I assume after midnight I will be without the internet unless it comes through my present talk talk router.  I don't understand these things! :fear:

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Here is a link to the game manual.  If you click on the front cover, it will enlarge it and then you can move through the book in order by clicking next or previous to go back a page.

Remember, this isn't meant for serious wargamers.  It was probably intended to introduce children to wargaming.  I think it achieves that admirably.  The rules are very simplified compared to a normal wargame and there are probably innacuracies in the book, but the great thing about the game is that it provides everything necessary to conduct a wargame of the Battle of Waterloo without needing lots of expensive extras.  I would highly recommend it if you ever come across one. ... But then, maybe I'm easy to please!   :D

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