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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013 20:48 pm 
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Could anyone help me with an approximate date for when the British army started to use the black and green camo scheme for AFVs as opposed to plain green? I'm guessing 1970's, but I would welcome enlightenment...

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013 01:02 am 
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I can tell you that 1977 was the year that Nato Green & Black came in to effect on vehicles from the factory and that vehicles already in units were steadily painted from then onwards often when they were sent in for a major service.

But remember it wasn't an overnight change. My RE unit still had mostly gloss bronze green Land Rovers up to 1980 excercises in BAOR in Sept of that year, still with yellow bridging plates that officially should have been grey from 1977! Once the camo colours were applied the yellow bridging plate on the front was painted over in Nato Green or Black and then the plate was removed completely.

Incidentally the colourful arm of service signs and numbers (similar to the ones used in WW2 had gone by the early 1970's and so for a time in mid 1970' onwards vehicles were devoid of markings except for miniture letters to identify the unit. My Series 3 Land Rover FFR had 29/7 painted in white (in numbers about 3cm high) on the front off side wing above the headlight.

Later still circa 1981 I saw RE units (?) with markings applied by stencil over a contrasting colour. One was a witch on a broomstick applied in black over Nato Green on the front of a Bedford RL. I also saw other shapes like a black bat and animal shapes.

I hope this helps


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013 01:12 am 
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LarryH57- You are a gent sir! Exactly what I needed to know. It does, of course, torpedo my next planned 'WHIF' build somewhat though..

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Just to add a bit to Larry's post, When The Army were using Deep Bronze Green gloss in UK & Germany the RAF were using RAF blue grey gloss, in 1971 RAF Wildenrath ( at the time the home of the RAFG Harrier force) and RAF Gutersloh ( the station nearest the east-west border) went into IRR Matt Green to BS 285. , in 1973/4 this was extended to all RAF Germany units and all UK stations in Strike Command - of course with the yellow stripe; Tactical units such as the RAF Regt , UKMAMS No 1 ACC and a few others did not adopt the yellow stripe and in 1977 the first hint of the IRR black disruptive appeared. So for The British Army in Germany -between the DBG gloss Larry mentions and the black & green era there was a period of IRR matt Green on its own, I used to visit 4 Div transport regt in 79 to 82 and there were still some glossy DBG, some in Matt green and some in matt black & matt Green. plenty of variation during this period. Returning to the RAF vehicles we were still painting vehicles & GSE used on airfield from blue grey to all yellow when we got the order to now go matt green, so items that had been painted yellow were normally the first to get the matt green treatment. Whatever you are modelling find a period pic of the subject- then you can never be wrong !!
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Again guys, thanks for the wealth of detail provided. This is exactly the reason this site and it's members are the best! :notworthy:

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