Airfix Logo

Humbrol Logo

The Airfix Tribute Forum was established in April 2006 to discuss the making of Airfix models.

Email: admin at airfixtributeforum.co.uk

It is currently Tue 26 Sep 2017 01:15 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2008 23:31 pm 
Hawk wrote:
You should repaint this in a Bronze Green, to my eye it looks a bit odd :idea:
Cheeky boy!  :shock: :lol:
The instructions from my Matchbox/Revell release dated 1983 call up Revell 46 NATO Olive (RAL 7013) and 87 Earth tone (RAL 7006). This equates to Hu108 and 29 respectively, the former being discontinued. This was called WWI green, in Tamiya speak it is Khaki drab. When I did an Airfix Churchill the instructions referred to Hu86 light olive - how suitable is that? I wouldn't mind some recommendations for the Comet as I'm planning on doing a build for SMW 2008.

peebeep


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2008 23:48 pm 
Offline
Site Owner
User avatar

Joined: Sat 22 Apr 2006 07:32 am
Posts: 61963
Location: Northampton UK
: Site Owner
: Administrator
: Group Build Guru
: Group Build Leader
: Model Portfolio
No.24 B.S.381-1942 Deep Bronze Green
Deep Bronze Green No. 24

75
Mix: Humbrol 2 + 33 + Revell 84 in ration 6:1:4. or Revell 65 + black in ratio 10:1 approx., Do not exceed this amount of black.

Base colour, Europe 1945.
In use:  1934 –40.  The basic colour pre-war on its own as a gloss finish.  Very occasionally in 1939-40 with G3. Description:  Very dark yellow-green almost black green.

_________________
Living the dream
My Portfolio
My current Workbench


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2008 23:57 pm 
So there is no near enough is good enough straight-out-of-the-tinlet equivalent colour in Humbrol or Revell enamel? I think I might check out Phoenix and WEM.

peebeep


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 00:27 am 
Could one of the mods edit this thread so that the British armour colours discussion can continue without spoiling this thread which is about the Matchbox Comet?

Sarge, I appreciate the advice, but using KISS principle I'd like a one pot solution.

peebeep


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 00:47 am 
Offline
Gold Bar
Gold Bar
User avatar

Joined: Sat 22 Apr 2006 15:53 pm
Posts: 15307
Location: Sunny Worcester
: Moderator
: Group Build Leader
I'm on it Paul.....True to form I managed to move all the posts except my own!  :oops:

My reason for preferring mixes is that I am a believer in 'scale colour' and all of the armour colour paints I've seen to date are too dark for braille scale models.  :idea:

All the best


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 08:29 am 
Offline
Gold Star
Gold Star

Joined: Tue 01 Aug 2006 11:45 am
Posts: 2082
Location: Newport, south Wales
Bronze Green is definitely not a late war colour, it didn't resurface until 1948 at the earliest. Late war British armour was either painted in its original US Olive Drab (if Lease Lend) or in the British equivalent SCC15 which was similar but a little greener.

The brown stripes are a figment of Matchbox's imagination too, the only armour camouflage visible in photos is the black stripes over OD used by 4/7 Dragoon Guards. Of course softskins were in a more motley array of SCC15 and SCC2/1A depending on whether thay had been repainted as this was only done when really needed, not just to keep up with the latest camouflage trend.

Humbrol H159 (the khaki drab name is an invention) is a reasonable stab, but needs to be darker and greener.  Check the camouflage notes on Matador Models site for more.

http://www.matadormodels.co.uk/tank_museum/5_camo_1.htm

David

_________________
David Maynard. 1962-2009. Gone too soon but not forgotten.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 10:13 am 
Offline
Gold Star
Gold Star

Joined: Tue 30 May 2006 14:59 pm
Posts: 2083
Location: Blandford Forum, Dorset
: Group Build Leader
I supposed Bronze Green could be the colour for a post war one?!

_________________
I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. When I hear that whistle blowin' I hang my head and cry!

Johnny Cash - Folsom Prison Blues


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 10:21 am 
Offline
Gold Star
Gold Star

Joined: Tue 01 Aug 2006 11:45 am
Posts: 2082
Location: Newport, south Wales
Hawk wrote:
I supposed Bronze Green could be the colour for a post war one?!


Definitely, they lasted until the 60s in places like Hong Kong. Probably polished up too.

David

_________________
David Maynard. 1962-2009. Gone too soon but not forgotten.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 10:22 am 
Sgt.Squarehead wrote:
My reason for preferring mixes is that I am a believer in 'scale colour' and all of the armour colour paints I've seen to date are too dark for braille scale models.  :idea:


Fair do's. My own preference (if I can be fussed) is to tone everything down after painting/decalling/weathering with varnish lightly tinted with grey.

peebeep


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 10:26 am 
Cheers for the notes David. Link is now bookmarked.

peebeep


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 11:41 am 
Offline
Gold Star
Gold Star

Joined: Tue 30 May 2006 14:59 pm
Posts: 2083
Location: Blandford Forum, Dorset
: Group Build Leader
That is a good link.

_________________
I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. When I hear that whistle blowin' I hang my head and cry!

Johnny Cash - Folsom Prison Blues


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu 02 Oct 2008 02:48 am 
Offline
Two Gold & Bronze Stars
Two Gold & Bronze Stars
User avatar

Joined: Sat 22 Apr 2006 16:58 pm
Posts: 6663
Location: Midlands UK
I've got some of the Humbrol Authentics HP4 British Army Bronze Green. I can vouch for the fact that it is very dark, similar to the German black-green. Even for post war stuff it would need lightening to look right

I haven't tried them but H86 (matt light olive) or 102 (matt army green)  might be alright for British tanks, anyone tried them ?

I don't know how it compares to Humbrol 75, I might even have some in my collection.

I also have some Xtracolor X1 RAF Dark green which is a great colour for WWII aircraft camo, it makes the H30 look like grass green  :lol: .

_________________
Pax Britannica
                    IMPORTANT
Chaps and chapesses:
Get those symptoms checked NOW Look silly a dozen times, that next time might be the  important one.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu 02 Oct 2008 04:00 am 
Offline
Silver Bar
Silver Bar
User avatar

Joined: Sat 22 Apr 2006 01:22 am
Posts: 12770
Location: Nanaimo. British Columbia. Canadia
: Group Build Leader
: Airfix Modelling SIG Member
I have Xtracrylics British Army Deep Bronze Green. I haven't tried it yet, but I intend to apply it to my Saladin shortly.

_________________
Portfolio


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu 02 Oct 2008 11:02 am 
Offline
Green Star
Green Star

Joined: Wed 28 Nov 2007 22:21 pm
Posts: 216
Location: Lancashire
H75 used to be a beautiful deep bronze green, but they changed the formula some time ago, and it is too dark and murky.

For British armour paints look to White Ensign models Colourcoats, and to Mike Starmer's booklets (and the MAFVA website) for when to use which.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun 25 Jan 2009 17:13 pm 
Offline
Red Star
Red Star

Joined: Sun 07 May 2006 11:00 am
Posts: 276
Location: Caithness,Scotland
Sorry to resurrect this, but is Revell bronze green any better?
(I'm still considering living with the differences....)

BTW Brews did you ever finish your Saladin?

_________________
ATB
James

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun 25 Jan 2009 18:09 pm 
Graham Boak wrote:
H75 used to be a beautiful deep bronze green, but they changed the formula some time ago, and it is too dark and murky.


Ayup Graham...

Then I'm glad I've got half a tin of my old stuff left then for my Apache...


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun 30 Jan 2011 19:42 pm 
Offline
Red Star
Red Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon 25 Oct 2010 11:46 am
Posts: 453
Location: Wakefield West Yorkshire
As I have a Revell (Ex-Matchbox) Comet awaiting build I thought I'd resurrect this thread and see if the SCC15 situation has improved any.

I use Acrylics, the majority of which are Humbrol. I can't use the recommended mix (Hu150+Hu159+Hu33 - 5:5:2) as this is enamel based and I don't have the Revell paints to mix the Revell/Matchbox call out (although is this correct anyway?).

Ratch's Hu75 mix (Hu22 + Hu33 + Revell 84 - 6:1:4) I can do, although I am tempted to just use Hu66 Olive Drab and be done with it (but I would like to err on the side of some form of accuracy). I will be buying quite a few Revell Aqua pots soon, so could get the Revell recommended colours.

So which is best, Revell's mix, the Hu75 mix or just go out of the pot with Olive Drab?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon 31 Jan 2011 02:42 am 
Offline
Bronze Star
Bronze Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon 18 Feb 2008 04:25 am
Posts: 945
Location: Melbourne, Australia
IanA:295130 wrote:
So which is best, Revell's mix, the Hu75 mix or just go out of the pot with Olive Drab?


The "best" is whatever works for you.

I don't use Humbrol, but if I did I'd use a 50:50 mix of Olive Drab (66) and a suitable Dark or Forest Green (30 or 116, maybe) which ought to be close enough for anyone not measuring with a micrometer?

Why Hornby don't just replicate the entire enamel range in acrylic is beyond me.

_________________
Bruce Probst
Melbourne, Australia
"I want to decide who lives and who dies."
My Scale Model Profile: http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/sutra272058.php#272058


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon 31 Jan 2011 13:01 pm 
Offline
Red Star
Red Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon 25 Oct 2010 11:46 am
Posts: 453
Location: Wakefield West Yorkshire
Thanks for thar Bruce.

That 50:50 mix sounds ideal to me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon 31 Jan 2011 19:00 pm 
Offline
Two Gold & Bronze Stars
Two Gold & Bronze Stars
User avatar

Joined: Sat 22 Apr 2006 16:58 pm
Posts: 6663
Location: Midlands UK
Real live vehicles were not of any uniform colour, you can see in b&w films how the shades differ from vehicle to vehicle, including the desert scheme too. Modern desert for instance is deliberately pink,pale yellow, stone grey, and any mixture to suit the local operating area, some are even faded green for some areas.
So in WWII etc it would have been much the same.
Aircraft colours quickly faded in WWII as they did in the modern desert. Sun, sea, sand all change the shade of a colour. So if your model has come straight from the factory or been in service for months you can paint it any colour that you think it would have looked like, and nobody can say any different within reason.
Enjoy, that's what modelling is all about.

_________________
Pax Britannica
                    IMPORTANT
Chaps and chapesses:
Get those symptoms checked NOW Look silly a dozen times, that next time might be the  important one.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

The Airfix Tribute Forum

The Airfix Tribute Forum - Est. 2006 | Make a Donation


modelsforsale.com