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 Post subject: Diorama mud
PostPosted: Sun 21 Jul 2013 15:17 pm 
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Hi, I have been looking around and I can't seem to find any effective methods for mud for a diorama. I am looking to create a wet looking mud for the Airfix WWI trench set. I found that MiG productions have their own mud however I don't wish to spend £5 for a small pot. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
PostPosted: Sun 21 Jul 2013 15:25 pm 
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Try a mix of brown pigment, brown paints, gloss varnish and plaster ;) I have never tried it but read about it somewhere,

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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You could try plasticine for starters, or Plaster of Paris. Or papier maché, again with some sort of plaster covering. To make it look wet, you could use Klear.

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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Thanks for the really quick replies, my dads a builder so I will have to releave him of some plaster and try new methods.

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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Some plaster of paris, mix with Wood glue (thick paste) add a Brown acrylic paint to suit, then stick where needed. To get a wet mud effect, paint with acrylic gloss or better still acrylic ceramics paints..like the Marabu ones
http://www.marabu.de/kreativ/produkt/ansicht/?pid=1306

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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Try this thread for some ideas.

For a cheaper alternative to the Galeria Acrylic Paste you could also mix Decorators Acrylic Caulk/Filler with acrylic paint, but from experience it does not hold its colour as well as the Acrylic Paste as it tends to leach colours out of the underlying base over time - not a problem if you want a dark mud.

For wet mud replace the Galeria Acrylic Paste by their Acrylic Structure Gel, which dries more glossy.

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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to get like a dirt road effect could you just use dirt from your back garden or not? And thanks for the ideas there are some good ones in this thread :D

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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to get like a dirt road effect could you just use dirt from your back garden or not?

Depends on the scale of the diorama - in 1/76 scale even the finest stuff from the garden would give a very rocky road surface if used straight. You would need to sieve the material to get the finest grains possible (an old tea strainer works quite well), but it can be done. You can use sieved 'silver sand' but it needs to be dried out really well before sieving.

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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You certainly can use normal dirt - I do it all the time. Best result for tracks etc. I have found is to sieve the sand to get rif of any rocks/stones, then stick it in a pestle and mortar to get a really fine dust, and whack it on the base - works for me

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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i can't really get mud from the garden, this heatwave has dried it so much its unreal! i will have to try some of the plaster ideas. thanks for all the replies!

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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CDT Hull, I think its supposed to rain tomorrow (well where I live anyway) and thanks IanW and Shorty for the tips. Is the coour of the dirt alright when it is stuck down?

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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Talking in terms of experience of using sieved "garden mud" myself a lot, I can safely say that it turns out relatively dark, that is using the fairly sandy soil that's the terra firma (and available) in Norfolk. Of course depending on where you are I guess will determine as to what colour the "mud" will be. :?: :think: On the other hand you could always paint it to suit, whenever I'm building a dio I always do the plasterwork (i.e. plaster bandage and then some of my dad's finishing plaster); then I paint it with a suitably mud brown dulux emulsion tester tin that I picked up at my local DIY store then I apply the mud quite liberally onto spread neat PVA glue. You'll see the results below, (the pics are from my " Stalingrad dio based on 'STALINGRAD' and 'ENEMY @ THE GATES' " The darkness of it suits me just fine, after all it does represent Russian earth. :mrgreen: :yahoo:

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End on view and this really does show up how dark it is compared to the two below
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This view is just to show how coarse the "mud" is, it doesn't represent the darkness of the "mud" because its so close up

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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Looks very good. :thumb:

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I used garden mud in this diorama :arrow:

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I remember spraying it, but I can't remember what paints I used :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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There is some art supply stuff made to do texture work on flat surfaces. Tempera pigment powder is a good color medium. You add it to the garden earth in a mix of acrylic matte medium (or PVA glue) and the pigment powder and apply the mix onto the base. I use a dark brown but you could mix your own. I also use it for my mud mixture to smear on the chassis of vehicles. You could also use the specialized modeling pigments but tempera pigment powder is much cheaper. However it doesn't go on a kit well dry so you can't replace those modeling pigments.

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Ratch wrote:
I remember spraying it, but I can't remember what paints I used :scratch:

Thinking on, they may have been Tamiya paints :think:

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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hmmm, i'll have to try all these different ideas on an old piece of wood and see which one suits better. Excellent dio by the way!

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 Post subject: Re: Diorama mud
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Split open a used T bag and dry out the Tea. using different branded T bags works even better. Mix with PVA glue and apply to ground or vehicles. To appear wet use gloss cote varnish after its dried.

my 1st try at this method, not using gloss.

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Also I've discovered that mixing in Humbrol weathering powders can also help to add more tones.

Worth trying as it don't cost anything to use old tea bags. :D

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Interesting technique. I wonder if you can get the same effect using fine ground coffee? :think:

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Interesting technique. I wonder if you can get the same effect using fine ground coffee? :think:

Yes - I have been playing around with used coffee grounds.
I found it best to boil up the used grounds in some more water to reduce the colour, as an added bonus you can add some wooden or bamboo toothpicks to the pan so they get stained by the coffee grounds. Then just filter the grounds again and leave them to dry.

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Yes. Used coffee is the best option. How would that apply to using PVA glue, If that´s what you´re using?

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I use coffee and tea and it works fine with PVA (doesn't everything? :)). I find it easier to mix it up into a paste then apply. Tea has bigger particles, even more so in the speciality teas, as said combine them for good results.


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Hey guy's I'd definitely recommend reading this :arrow: http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Terrain-Modelling-_9781841760629

It details different methods for creating terrain and focuses one section on mud effects for dioramas; although the author mainly focuses on making terrain for vignettes in 1/35 scale I have found it easy enough to scale it down for 1/72 or 1/76 scale for my dioramas. Well worth its money or even its weight in gold.

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