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 Post subject: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2014 17:32 pm 
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A plea for help: I have got a model of a Dodge Ambulance WC54 (T214), which I'm converting into a WC27 (T215) for personal reasons which will become clear the longer I'm on this site :) I know that US vehicles supplied to the UK, under lend-lease were supplied in US Olive-Drab, because they were effectively bought under US army contracts. But what about vehicles supplied before the advent of lend-lease? I'm asking because, it is my understanding that there were US 'Standard' vehicles that were supplied under direct contracts and I have some reason to believe that some Dodge T215 models were supplied in this way, particularly to the Air Ministry.

My question is this; Were these pre lend-lease vehicles supplied in US Olive-Drab, or did the contracts specify a particular paint scheme? I'm particularly thinking of RAF ambulances (It would be cool to think that they were supplied in RAF blue-Grey, but I doubt it very much :? ) Any clues? Ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2014 20:21 pm 
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We had a Chevy panel van used as an ambulance at RAF Station Grimsby it was destined for France along with many other American vehicles, but was diverted and utilized by the Air Min.
It was camouflage with the brown/green 'wrap over' scheme. Suspect all those vehicles were similarly camouflaged. Blue-grey went out not long after the out-break of the war.
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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2014 22:20 pm 
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Ian,
Excellent, that's the sort of thing I'm after.

I figure, a base colour of Khaki-Green No3, with SCC1a in a MTP 20 pattern then, alongside an Albion AM463 Ambulance, still in blue-grey (because it hasn't had a repaint yet) :)

Trust me this is just the beginning..... :))

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014 10:58 am 
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daveh wrote:
Trust me this is just the beginning

So looking forward to see what your going to bring forward . . . :nod:

Ted + Mike are the experts on dates for colour/camouflage colours so i'm sure they will be along sooooon

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014 19:57 pm 
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If I tell you the kits I've got ready for projects it might give you a hint :)

Fankit Crossley FWD fire tender Foam
BW austin K6 Fire tender CO2
BW fordson WOT1 fire tender Foam (Weeton type)
BW Fordson E7V 5T Tipper
BW Bedford OSB 5T Tipper
3 off Airfix 0854 refuellers
3 off Airfix QL refuellers (for which I want a source of 10.50x20 wheels)
Firing Line Humber 8cwt GS and heavy utility
Firing Line Fordson WOA2 Staff car
And of course the airfix bomber re-supply set and RAF vehicles set

Some of the airfix kits will be converted... :))

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014 21:24 pm 
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If your basic colour is to be Khaki Green 3 then the disrupter is most likely to be Dark Tarmac in MTP 20 scheme.


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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014 22:15 pm 
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Dave H you don't indicate theatre of operation or date ?? By KG3 and MTP20 it may be assumed you are in the UK area of Ops Trouble with these colours is : all the evidence is the small number of these Dodges were in N Africa ?? One type of vehicle the RAF was not short of at the out break of WW2 was ambulances, they had a huge stockpile of Albions . However you might have evidence to the contrary ??
It might help your research if you gave up the secrecy .
You give a list of kits you have as a clue to what you are up to ? well looking at it I think you are setting up a 1946 joint services scene ?? the Austin CO2 tender did not start appearing til 1946, the Bedford tipper you mention was used by the Army & RN


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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014 20:27 pm 
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The secrecy is not intentional, just a being a bit circumspect, after having having been chewed well and proper on another site.

My overall aim is eventually to have an example of every type of vehicle used by the RAF. I've started at WW2, because it interests me.

The Bedford OSB will be converted into a MSC 30cwt General Service.

My info is from an ex RAF Medical Orderly, who remembers both the Albions and (quote) 'small-wheel' Dodges...when he was posted overseas, he was on big-wheel Dodges (which I take to be the later WC54 variant), and CMP ambulances.

TBH I was under the impression the the K6 CO2 tender was early 1945... That might be a kit that'll have to wait for a later date then.

The E7V is going to be converted into an Allen Taylor Tructor conversion.

So I've got lots of research to do... Starting with UK based, then Northern Europe, moving on to Eastern Med, and finishing with far east.

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
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Its best to spill the beans and state clearly what you're looking for, that way you'll get the right information without folks having to second guess you :geek:
We don't allow chewing on here :naughty: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014 23:33 pm 
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Dave H The CMP were in service with the RAF in Egypt until the mid 1950s, post WW2 RAF Ambos overseas went to white very quickly with black mudguards, shortly after the whole bonnet was also painted black to stop sun reflection into the driver's eyes.
re the Austin K6 CO2 1946 was definately the earliest date.
Your aim to model every type - in 1970 I had the same aim and apart from distractions like the Falklands etc My modelling and research has been non stop - the last 20 years has been taken up with just vehicles of the RAF fire service alone! The Fordson 7v tipper was very widely used by the RAF thru WW2 , construction, works tasks and most importantly distribution of coke and coal to the hutted dispersed domestic sites and to the various boiler rooms. Good Luck
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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014 13:01 pm 
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Your comment explains a photo I've seen of a couple of Morris YG ambulances, all in white, with one of completely black forward of the windscreen... I had planned to do my YG in a wartime colour scheme but I quite like the white and black look.

Also have you any info on the Fordson E83W Van? I've read somewhere that the RAF used them, but I've got no photos or other evidence to confirm that. Only a picture of a E83W pick-up in admiralty grey.

I've set myself an evidence standard of a photo or written evidence, with a census number, or registration.

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On the subject of RAF vehicles, don't forget that in the period 1940-41 (especially post Dunkirk) quite a number of vehicles were impressed civi ones, from coaches, furniture removal vans and any spare GS or flatbed type.


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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Mon 05 May 2014 13:55 pm 
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Indeed Larry, the only issue with that is that I'm already at 157 examples and that's just for the UK and north-west Europe, I haven't got around to all the Canadian Military Pattern, early US contract and lend-lease stuff yet. A good example would be the Leyland Tiger bus- there were at least 5 models in service with UK bus companies. Examples of each model were impressed at one time or another. With the amount of civi vehicle makers we had before the war, can you imagine how big I'm going to have to make the display cabinets? :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
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Since your earlier post, have you got any photos of your work on RAF vehicles?


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 Post subject: Re: Dodge WC27 Ambulance
PostPosted: Tue 19 Aug 2014 19:55 pm 
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Hi larry,

There are, but I'm in the midst of setting myself up a portfolio which I think will be a better show...I'll let you know when done..

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