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PostPosted: Sat 10 Apr 2010 20:25 pm 
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Have you used them  :?:

How did you apply and remove them  :shrug:

How do you rate the resulting finish  :help:

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I've used them, you just shake well and apply liberally with a brush, leave to dry, then use a damp paper towel to wipe off the excess.

On a gloss surface eveything not in a panel line can be removed, on a matt surface you get some staining and weathering effect.

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In my personal opinion, for consistent panel lines, I felt it would work best on well defined panel lines in larger scales  - 1/48, 1/32, 1/24 rather than 1/72 scale where the panel lines can be quite indistinct under paint and varnish - so you tend to remove a lot of the wash when wiping.

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Yes

I applied the wash by brush on a Klear surface touching the brush in one of the panel lines then let it run through the others.  Ive also just applied it liberally over the aircraft where i want it whethered. then let it dry and remove any excess with a damp cloth.

to remove completely use soapy water with a cloth.

Ratch i'd suggest a visit to the promodeller website for some running demos.

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Excellent, they do what it says on the bottle! As Rich says they work best with a well defined panel line, but are easily wiped out of less well defined lines. They will stain paint that is less than satin sheen, so unless you want the dirty effect make sure the surface is well Kleared.

Phil Flory has put together some excellent video presentations to demonstrate how to use his products. Go to Youtube or Phil's own Promodellers website.

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Hey all

I use these washes and have been very impressed.  The best thing I think is that if you get it totally wrong a wet cloth removes all.

I was worried when I first used is as after having rubbed it off it looked like there was nothing left but a final coat of varnish realy darkens it up.  Otherwise they are easy to control how dirty the a/c is just by using dry to damp cloth.

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Ditto all of the above .

Great stuff  :thumb:

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I was using either an oil or enamel wash on my builds until I found these and have been using them since

Decals applied, Klear Coated and then Flory Models Black Wash applied.

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Hardtarget wrote:
Ratch i'd suggest a visit to the promodeller website for some running demos.

Been there, they make it look easy  :o

Maybe its just the bottle I have, but it certainly doesn't do what it says on the tin  :x

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If you're having problems with it, try adding a smidge of washing up liqiud to it. This will help break the surface tension when you apply it, there is less tendency for it to clump up on a gloss surface and the adhesion is improved.

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Funnily enough I've just got hold of some of these - as a complete "weathering virgin", I'll report back (with pics) when I've used them on something - I'm building a Churchill MkVII (stalled until Airfix send the missing track - tanks generally have two, I believe) and I'll be giving some of the "sand" colour a try on this - I'm figuring that it will collect in the nooks and crannies around the raised detail. We'll see. I have some "dark" as well, if the "sand" looks too light.

I have a Westland Whirlwind made for a starter kit GB - but that has raised panel lines, so I'm not sure how well that would work.

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Ratch: if your're using them on a 1/72 model then, as others have sugggested, the panel lines might not be deep enough, especially if you are using a hairy stick and not an airbrush.

I tried the dark wash on my Airfix 1/72 Metoer F.8 for the Cold War Jets GB and after a coat of primer, 2 coats of silver and several coats of klear all applied by brush I had pretty much flooded all the fine panel lines. Maybe you could try scribing the existing panel lines (it's not too hard because there's already a groove to start with) to make them a little deeper. That way there'll be less chance of flooding them.

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I would be extremelyv wary of scribing into a final painted surface  - it can throw up bitty ridges that need to be sanded off. Nobody wants to be sanding on what is supposed to be a final surface.


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gerry wrote:
I would be extremelyv wary of scribing into a final painted surface  - it can throw up bitty ridges that need to be sanded off. Nobody wants to be sanding on what is supposed to be a final surface.


Sorry if my post isn't clear  :oops: . I meant next time you build a model re-scribe the panel lines before any painting was started.
Hope this clears up any confusion.  :D

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If the stuff is not suitable for 1/72 then why don't they say

best results from 1/48 and larger scales

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If the stuff is not suitable for 1/72 then why don't they say

best results from 1/48 and larger scales

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It's my personal opinion and experience that it's not suited to 1/72 with faint panel lines.

I would say that some of the recent 1/72 Airfix issues are ideal candidates for the wash with their "accented" panel lines.....

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I haven't had any problems with 1/72 either

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It's not the scale that causes the problem.  It's the scale plus the use of a brush instead of an airbrush.  Darkening panel lines with a wash isn't really the best approach for us brush-ies.  I'm thinking a pencil line drawn on the surface of the model would be best to create the same "perfect little lines" appearance.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Apr 2010 23:14 pm 
Ayup All...

As someone else who also followed the Destructions but didn't get what he thought he was 'Going' to get and was in the end terribly Disappointed, i would say that actually, Highlighting panel lines seems to me to be actually rather Bonkers as an exercise. they can look nice in cases on models for some reason, but would be, when scaled up, look very weird and Unnatural and rightly be considered so.

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