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PostPosted: Fri 21 Dec 2012 15:58 pm 
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It's well known that Airfix aquired tooling from Rosebud Kitmaster. It's also well known that Airfix sold the Rosebud Kitmaster (as well as original Airfix railway related) tooling to Dapol. However, there's one thing that has me puzzled. Kitmaster produced coach kits. Dapol are producing them now. Did Airfix ever have them in the middle?

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And that's the puzzle.

Airfix never produced coach kits. Dapol got hold of the Kitmaster tooling from somewhere. Could it be that Airfix aquired the Kitmaster tooling, but never did anything with them?

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Reading the back of the Deltic header it says:
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"All of the tools used to produce the kits today have been in use for over 45 years and were originally part of the 'Rosebud/Kitmaster' range. Subsequently acquired by 'Airfix' model railways and used to add to their existing range. Dapol purchased the tools and trading names in the 1980's"

So, that would suggest that Airfix did have the coaches but did nothing with them.

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That would make sense.

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The Dapol coaches are not the Kitmaster coaches which have never been re-released as far as I know.  They are in fact the Airfix RTR Stanier coaches from GMR range rather then the kit range.  Dapol are supplying these unbuilt and with metal wheels, for the modeller to complete.

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I don't know. Since I'm looking for a coach kit to go with my railway diorama, I've done some research (only natural really). There's a staggering similarity between the Kitmaster coach kits and the Dapol releases. In some cases, Dapol has gone as far as releasing the the kits in the same coloured plastic (Maroon and green) as Kitmaster did. I'm willing to entertain the idea that Airfix released these coaches as built items and not kits though.

Oh, if anyone is asking. I'm looking for Kitmaster coach No13 in green (I haven't found out what the Dapol equilivent is yet.

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Ratio also issued coach and wagon kits - I built some for my railway - don't know the provenance of them  :?

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No idea of the ratio ones but the Airfix/Dapol kits are deffinatly different to the Kitmaster ones.  The current Dapol kits are all of Stanier design where as the Kitmaster kits were of BR Mk 1 design.  Also compare the break down of the parts between the two Dapol and Kitmaster

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Hmmmm. Interesting. More research is warrented.

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I seem to remember Rosebud Kitmaster issueing some interesting locos that neither Airfix or Dapol ever released. Some continental steam locos may have been in their range. I know for a fact that they kitted the General from the American Civil War era as I built one. They may have kitted a South African Railways Beyer Garratt as well... Maybe some one could confirm this. Did Airfix get ALL the Kitmaster moulds and subsequently pass them on to Dapol?
Dapol may well now have the moulds for the more obscure locos but chose never to release them as they are not of British Railways subjects.
All of the old Airfix 00 gauge buildings are recognisable under the Dapol label, and it is nice that they are still readily obtainable.


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Steve Knight's two books on Kitmaster do give the answers to all these questions. In a nutshell Airfix only released a very few of the Kitmaster tools, most like the coaches spent their time in oil baths until moving to Dapol.


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Apr 2013 20:13 pm 
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That would be the logical answer. It makes sense. Thanks.

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Asked a Dapol rep about this at the London railway show at Alley Palley and he confirmed the have never issued the Rosebud coach kits which is odd as they have released everything else.

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What about the odds and ends in the Dapol range like the war memorial - what's their provenance? Not Kitmaster or Airfix?

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Arpie wrote:
Asked a Dapol rep about this at the London railway show at Alley Palley and he confirmed the have never issued the Rosebud coach kits which is odd as they have released everything else.


I suspect it's to do with perceived demand. If you're a regular follower of ebay, you'll know there's still a lot of original Kitmaster coach kits out there available at prices not much more than Dapol would have to charge. The only one that seems to be comparatively rare is the restaurant car.

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In relation to the new, recently released, glue together yourself kits from Dapol - the mystery is a little deeper - for the main line coaches - I have put together 4 of these now and can confirm that they are not a version of the Airfix RTR release from 30+ years ago (they are slightly less detailed in terms of underframes and steps and a couple of other items) - but the clincher is - that the underside is stamped with the Mainline logo - as in Palitoy Mainline !

The thick plottens !

I have a couple of the suburbans - will check their undersides later...


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct 2013 13:22 pm 
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Airfix GMR was merged into Palitoy's Mainline range when GM acquired Airfix. Much of the Mainline range was later sold to Dapol and Hornby.


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As far as I know these recent Dapol coach kits are basically their ready to run range but sold has a simple kit, hence the Mainline branding.


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Remember what was happening to moulds when Dapol stepped in. It's possible that the coach tools were acquired, never used, and broken up.

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