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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jan 2012 15:59 pm 
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I bought a couple of Revell's 1/72 Tiger I Ausf H kits. The instructions (as well as the "prototype" on the side of the box) call out for Revell Dust Grey paint, which I do have.

However, the box art displays an khaki-ish green paint scheme. And other images of Afrika Korps Tigers (like Airfix's) suggest a sand-colored paint scheme.

Which is it? Grey, sand, khaki green, all three?

I've seen a few black and white images of Tiger 142, but given the  quality and the fact they're in black and white it's impossible to pin-point the color.


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Most likely dunkelgelb, although Panzer Colours states that initial deliveries were brown  :idea:

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Try this below and then follow the link all about the restoration of Tiger 131 and in there you will find discussion of the original colouring of the tank.

http://www.tiger-tank.com/secure/journal.htm

look for page 27

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Thanks guys! I had no idea they were camouflaged in two colors.


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The answer is yes.  They were dark yellow, africa brown and had oversprays of green camouflage (one source says it was captured RAF paint)

The Tigers were moved around so much and remarked time after time for different operations so depending on which Tiger, what unit and when the options are wide open.

And never trust instructions.  Even if the color indicated is correct, the paint indicated will be wrong.  And beware of second guessing colors without checking your reference materials.  Conventional wisdom is often wrong.

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George Bradford in his Armour Camaflage & Markings North Africa 1940 to 1943 describes the 501st Tigers as going into battle painted pea green, along with the Panzer III Ausf N that accompaigned them, but also says that the companies of the battalion were often split up and some were in overall desert sand.
The Tiger 142 is shown in the book as pea green with red numbers outlines in white.

I am note sure captured paint stocks would have been used, the last thing you take on a retreat would be cans of enemy Dulux paint. Fuel, water food ammunition, but paint?


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According to Johannes Denecke in "Tarnantriche des Deutschen Heeres 1914 bis heute" (Camouflage of the German army from 1914 till today), Tigers of the 501st Abteilung were painted in RAL 7008, with numbers in RAL 8000. I used the corresponding Lifecolor references to commit this...

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Basic colour was RAL 8000 with stripes of RAL7008. Rather unusually these colours were regarded as obsolescent by 1943 but 'waste not.. as is said. Other reports of Tunisian Tigers and supporting Pz.IIIN quote a single shade of a dark colour, possibly 7008 only. Despite the general belief of German super efficiency, the camouflage colours used on desert vehicles were not really effective due to their very low contrast. As one contributor said, I didn't know they were two colours. Exactly. Not obviously disruptive so pretty useless to break up outlines and blend with strong shadows. The same applies to the aircraft shades RLM70/71 & 72/73. Virtually a waste of time, effort and materials.


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Mar 2013 19:26 pm 
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An interesting question that I guess we will never know the true answer to as we have so many “experts” giving different answers in different books/publications/forums etc. Pity a Vet of the 501st could not be found, but then how well do we recall colours?

I have seen photo’s (if I can find the web site I will post a link) of 501being loaded on board a ship for transport to N Africa and they are in 7021 Panzregrau. So one must assume they were painted en route(difficult) or on arrival. As an experiment some time ago I painted an old airfx tiger RAL7021 and then painted a thin layer of RAL 820 gelbbraun, the result was a dirty looking pea green. All paints were lifecolour and these were the first time I had used them. As all manufactures paints also vary greatly who knows if these shades and the resulting are accurate?

What I think we all need to be wary of is taking what one reads on the web as gospel.

Lovely looking Tiger BTW :D

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Be very careful about colours on German photographs. They used a great number of colourised prints in their media magazines and it may be that what you saw was simply a Tiger being loaded and the print has been coloured later by someone that has been told that Tigers were grey. Signal magazine used a great many of this type of material, which is why, for instance we see two toned grey-green FW 200s being serviced. Agfa colour film too was chemically unstable, often showing extreme red hues even on grass.


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I also would be very sceptical of people's memories. I tale the same bus and tube twice a day five days a week and I couldn't tell you much at all about what colours those are.

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It probably depends if the veteran had to paint it himself or not :P . I could tell you if the bus I take is green or sandy, but probably finding the exact shade would be more difficult.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014 17:24 pm 
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Mikestarmer wrote:
Basic colour was RAL 8000 with stripes of RAL7008.

My sincere apologies, on re-reading, my previous statement was incorrect. I should have written that officially from March 1942 that 8020 Braun was the overall colour with 7027 Grau stripes. However I had read somewhere a while ago, I cannot now find the notes, that these Tigers were painted at a depot in Italy or Sicily before shipment to Tunisia using the obsolecent 7008 Graugrun. One of my elderly contacts, 90+, who was gunner with 21 Pz Div. in Tunisia in 1943 sent a model paint patch that he says was the colour of his Pz.IV . It is slightly darker than 8020. His swatch is 3 x H94 + 1 x H61. A better lighter match is 5 x H63 + 1 x H93 + 1 x H61.


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Couldn't you go off Tiger 131's restoration at Bovington, where they found patches of Olivgruen on the turret?

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I've studied all the hundreds of photos of Tigers of s.Pz.Abt.501 and I have a pretty good idea what happened.

One thing I'm sure of is that they were not repainted in Tunisia with anybody's green paint. I can see the Tigers arriving in Tunisia, operating in specific places and times, and finally being destroyed and found by British troops who describe them as "green". All through this there is NO sign of a repaint.

The Tigers were delivered from the factory in the first "tropical" scheme, 7008/8000. This doesn't show up well on B/W film but you can enhance photos to see the bands of camouflage. The Bovington Tiger has these colours.

While in the hands of the battalion in Germany, they were given newly developed equipment such as Feifel filters and turret bins. The battalion was supplied with some of the old tropical paint and some of the new. Therefore these equipment items are often painted in 8020 looking considerably lighter than the rest of the tank.

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