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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2007 14:01 pm 
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Halcyon made a range of kits based on the Alien movies: there was a Nostromo, a Sulaco, a dropship, and several alien creatures.

I built the dropship and while it wasn't especially impressive it went together well enough. It fell off the ceiling in the end.

These go for absurd money on the 'bay. I paid £20 for my Aliens dropship retail and they routinely go for £50.

They're OOP, so does anyone know who owns the moulds?

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2007 14:27 pm 
Ayup Beau...

I don't know who owns them, mine have MPC on the box too as well as Halcyon, But if you're an ipms member, there's a spiffing update article in one of 'em from last year. with only a minimum of 'extras' to be scratched to bring it up to spec. I've the tank too. Do you know how it builds?


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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2007 14:57 pm 
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No idea about the APC TBH.

I impulse-bought the dropship around 2000, I guess, from Forbidden Planet. It is supposedly 1/72 scale, but looking at the implied size of the APC that's supposed to fit inside, and of how small the Ferro and Spunkmeyer figures (if there were any) would have to be to fit into that cockpit, I would say it is actually quite a lot smaller than 1/72. It's not 1/144, I don't think, but it is perhaps 1/96 or smaller.

In the film the APC is supposedly able to hold at least 10 fully equipped marines, with room for Hudson to stroll around, for the stowage of at least 4 robot sentry guns, and for spare ammo and weapons. It also has a driver's cab and turret on the front and another turret on the the back.

You couldn't fit anything bigger than the hull of an Airfix 1/76 Scorpion tank - a 3-man vehicle - inside the Halcyon model.

It is possible that this reflects inconsistencies in the props used in the film - I haven't studied the relevant scenes closely (despite having seen Aliens at least 40 times) but it's conceivable that the full-scale mockups used for the cockpit scenes are inconsistent size-wise with the models used for the loading bay scenes.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2007 16:46 pm 
Ayup Beau...

I guess its the same with all films. In reality you probably couldn't swing anything, let alone a cat, round in most craft, so walls have to 'expand' and 'contract ' with the cameras point of view...

Plus i guess scale comes into it when a director wants something to look 'heavy' and robust, or light and delicate. i allus wanted a real Dropship to be developed though. the out-folding rocket launchers/wings are seriously cool... donchyathink? 8-)


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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2007 20:37 pm 
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Definitely v cool. Apparently it was based on a Huey helicopter. Cameron liked the thin, slab nose.

I've seen online sites that reckon the dropship is supposed to be 25.2m long. I don't know where that figure comes from, but in 1/72, it would be about 14" and my recollection of the Halcyon kit is that it would be about 11" or so. So it needs to be about 30% bigger - which fits my gut feel that it's around 1/96.

What would be seriously cool would be an Airfix tie-in that resulted in a 1/32 dropship plus APC kit and 8 multi-pose Colonial Marines. I'd pay, oh, about £100 for that. Trouble is Aoshima seem to have the licenses tied up at the mo with limited runs of just these subjects.

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 09:00 am 
Ayup Beau...

Just googled to remind myself of the nose shape, when i came across an image from frontier models that shows their forthcoming dropship/APC set in resin @144th. that looks nice too. The price, £79.99 *Gulp*  but its out next month.... *availiable for pre-orders too! * Santa, pass me my wallet... :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 12:13 pm 
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Cheer up, two years ago I spend around £500 and built myself a Pulse rifle, so £79.99 isn't as expensive as first thought.

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 12:34 pm 
Ayup Spud...

Does it fire real grenade rounds? and spew fire like Sigourneys?

For 500 notes, I'd want it to !


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Sadly, it doesn't spit grenades as it's an airsoft replica. The battery sits inside the grenade launcher. However, it does spew ammo everywhere (full auto is a treat). Mind you, I'm to busy watching the ammo counter counting down. Hey-ho.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 15:04 pm 
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As far as the moulds are concerned, several of the Halcyon kits were reissued by Aoshima a couple of years ago.
As far as the scale issues go, the exterior size of the vehicles doesn't really reflect the size of the interior sets.
However I detailed my Dropship cockpit using seats from a 1/72 Hasegawa Starfighter and they look perfectly in scale.
Here is an overview of some of the Alien kit range...

DROPSHIP
The Dropship shape is very well captured but some of the smaller details are awful. The missiles are particularly crude and need replacing.
The panel lines are recessed but of the Matchbox Trench variety although they don't look too bad under the paint.
The kit can be built in re-entry mode with everything closed up or in landing mode with undercarriage down, weapons pods deployed and ramp lowered. Unfortunately if you drop the ramp all you see is a solid underside of the fuselage...major surgery is required to depict the APC bay.
The decals in my copy were a nightmare...when placed in water some of them fragmented into several pieces. Those that didn't had very poor adhesion and I resorted to sticking them down using Johnson's Klear.
All in all not a kit for the faint hearted but can be built into a good replica with some work.

APC
This was Halcyon's first release and is in 1/35 scale.
The shape and detail are generally spot on although the parts don't fit well in some areas, especially at the front end, and some filler is needed to blend everything together.
I recall replacing the kits clear parts on mine as they were moulded in a weird milky-white translucent plastic.
Otherwise a good kit that builds into a faithful replica.

NARCISSUS
This is the Nostromo's shuttle in 1/144th scale.
The parts are very well moulded with nice recessed panel lines. The clear parts are a dark smoked grey which helps hide the lack of interior detail.
I removed the moulded cockpit, which looks like two sofas, and scratchbuilt some rudimentary seats and control panels.
Two "Window" pieces are supplied for the front end which should be discarded as these are in fact engine exhausts which need some kind of tubing inserted to replicate the engines.
The insert piece on the belly of the craft could do with some extra detail.

POWERLOADER
This is a superb kit in 1/12th scale. The mouldings are top notch and require only minor work to hide the odd ejector mark. A figure of Ripley is supplied which bears a fairly good resemblence to Sigourney Weaver. There are also vinyl tubes for the hydraulic hoses and some photo-etched parts.

SULACO
Moulded to a tiny 1/2400 scale this still builds into a nice replica of the ship complete with a tiny Dropship.

SPACE JOCKEY
This is a vinyl kit to 1/96(I think) and features minimal parts but incredibly fine detail which needs careful painting. Includes three astronaut figures.

ALIEN WARRIOR
Moulded in 1/9th scale and features great detail. Builds into an impressive figure complete with egg and base.

ALIEN 3 CREATURE
Similar to the Warrior figure this has a more dynamic pose of the Alien running across a stone floor. Features a clear plastic "dome" for the head which requires careful blending in to the surrounding plastic.

NOSTROMO
A blend of vinyl and styrene parts builds into a highly detailed replica which needs careful painting.

There are also several 1/1scale creature kits available along with a 1/12th Alien Queen kit which has so far eluded me.


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Following on from that last post here are some pics of my Halcyon builds...

First up the APC...The kit is largely as it comes apart from some added detail around the gun and setting the front wheels at an angle. The headlights are from a Tamiya Mini, figures are Verlinden, base and equipment are scratchbuilt.

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Next, the Narcissus...Mostly out of the box...some detail added inside, the panel for the lift engines on the belly was scratchbuilt, kit stand replaced.

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Dropship...a LOT of work done on this one! Cockpit, missile bays,all replaced, some small details added to make it less toy-like...

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 16:15 pm 
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Alien Warrior...Straight from the box...just a simple paint job really...plaque on base is home-made etched brass...

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 16:19 pm 
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Sulaco....not too good photos as it's pretty small...built straight from box.
The tiny unlit windows along the top of the hull are Letraset fullstops...

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 16:28 pm 
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Power loader...This is largely out of the box. I altered one of the pincers for a bit of variety. I replaced the harness with lead foil and home-etched buckles. All the hydraulic hoses terminate in a realistic connection made from chrome tape and TINY stainless steel nuts.
All the hydraulic piston arms were replaced with polished aluminium tubing.


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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2007 18:24 pm 
Ayup Spud and Jargonking...

All I can say is... WOW !

Spud, i can feel from here the bullets ripping a fiendish Alien or seven apart! I'll bet it feels good when you feel the kick offavit! Have you ever been to the 'Alien Experience', in london, i think they call it, where there's a 'quest' for groups to fight the terrible hordes!... Sounds like a JBO, doesn't it?

And Jargonking, thanks for showcasing your models. they're ALL excellent! I remember when the powerloader came out as a review for it was in a series of mags called Science Fiction and Fantasy models that came out briefly. (No.1 is still a collecters item... and they STILL owe me a subscription from when they went 'bust' and ran  to the states! GRRR... :twisted:  :twisted: )

But anyways, great thread. nice to see a bit of Diversification....  :D


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jargonking, those are great builds! Thanks for showing them.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Dec 2007 10:19 am 
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Visit Phebus Creations website for some resin 1/35 Colonial Marines, which look better than the AEF resin ones from the 80s that were clearly 'inspired' by Airfix Multipose parts.

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