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 Posted: Mon 01 Oct 2007 15:47 pm Post subject: Heavy Bomber GB - Hangartimes's Build. |
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Progress of Hangartime's build will be reported here.
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Airfix 1/72 Heinkel He177 (Pattern No589)
Airfix 1/72 Lancaster BI (05001-8)
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| Posted: Tue 02 Oct 2007 14:01 pm Post subject: |
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Both of them 
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Just the He177 at this stage - I had options and have to build the lanc anyway and possibly a Liberator in a Coastal Command scheme - so I could do them as a background build or consecutively.
I've never built the Greif before so it could be quite fun. I've opened the packaging and looked at it - looked at the weapons and the 3 x Hs293 weapons and tinkered a bit - then started. The kit itself is well moulded, has reasonable rivet and panel detail (raised) along with smaller bits to provide enough detail to look good. The only drawback with this is the kit I have has a warped fuselage - this should be easily fixed though.
Anyway - what's a build without pics. So... here are Hs293's.
Basic shape and some aileron detail - minor sink marks but nothing difficult to assemble.
An assortment of bombs too. These obviously carried a serious payload when required.
From here I started assembling the weapons - 2 bomb halves together with superglue x4 smaller ones and x2 large ones. Then I started the 293's - the E(lectric) brush finished the sanding of seams in record time and bombs are ready to paint already. Rockets will be white with a small RC array at the rear (I think).
From here I've also decided on a KG100 machine which departs from the kit scheme of 2 tone green & blue to a black, light blue and gray violet night mottled version. From here - I'll research the weapons and tidy these up - then probably move onto the bomb bay.
Just realised - Guided rockets are Hs293's - also painted weaponry tonight - seen here oob, some touch ups will be added for visual interest via some decals. Bombs are SC500's and SC250's in sky blue and white for guided rockets.
EDIT 4/10/07 - The bomb bay - very bare - no detail and quite alot of ejectors pin marks on the internal bomb deck and internal bomb bay doors. All ejector pin marks needed to be removed. These could then get a coat of RLM02 being the standard interior colour. While this was drying - the nose cone for the props were glued to the 4 blade props - a quick tidy of the seam line as these were ready for paint. It's the only part that gets painted a black green (RLM70) so these then got a quick paint and put aside to dry. The rudder, tailplanes and elevators where then glued together - these are all 2 halves each, so it's a simple detach, glue and seam sand.
EDIT 6/10/07 -
The interior got a coat of RLM66 being a black gray - this included the tyres and gun turrert buckets.
Back to the bomb bay - ejector marks removed and it could be painted with RLM02. It looks very bare so some detailing will be required. I've painted both the open and closed position doors as I'm not sure which option will look better - if it doesn't work out I can always close up the bomb bay.
Some decals were printed up to give the bomb bay at least some detail - clear decal file was printed on with a colour tint to make it looked like framing.
The decals were then applied and further decals went onto the bombs - nothing spectacular but again to give it some detail. Bombs were then glued into place and the whole bomb bay got a touch up with some gray wash followed by Matt coating.
Now the bomb bay is complete, it's time to move onto the cockpit interior. |
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| Posted: Sun 07 Oct 2007 05:25 am Post subject: |
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Very nice the work there, love the effect from using the transfer sheet.  What did you use to make the pattern? |
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| Quote: | | What did you use to make the pattern? |
Thanks to Windows 2003 I went into Autoshapes then More Autoshapes - just below halfway theres a camera film icon, this was turned 90 degress and 'stretched' you'll know it when you find it as it comes up with the pixel dimensions for each icon (all different) - this one is 166(w) x 261(h). Not perfect - but it's certainly better than a bare bomb bay without doing alot of work - I wanted to stick to an oob build (except for decals) so I can apply things like this in future. I did the same with the cockpit instrumentation - now complete in the next step.
Achieved much today - I had quite a bit of time to do this due to a spectacular thunderstorm that put other plans on hold. The floor pan where the pilots sat was cemented into place along with the bomb bay- very straightforward and a snug fit. Some extra decals were applied in the cockpit to busy it up - a dry fit revealed you won't see ejector pin marks - or much beyond the pilots up front. So onto the pilot and crew. Crew then got painted in acrylic for a quick dry - I opted for the Ochre flying overalls consistant with a night flying scheme at altitude. I don't usually put pilots or crew in but they're good for hiding a lack of interior detail....!
Rear gunner when dried was put into his station along with the 20mm gun from kit.
The rest of the crew were then put into place. The crouched crew member (remote gunner)- you can only see his head due to an observation blister above. The front prone gunner - you'd be lucky to see him at all.....
Assembly of fuselage - halves were glued together - the fit is very poor - I'm not sure if this is just the ancient kit I have (which I suspect) or whether other kits have suffer the same flaws. It required alot of tape to hold it together along with poking and proding the seam line to align it as much as possible. Even so - filling and sanding will be a requirement - I suspect alot. 
EDIT - Wings were assembled - nothing hard about this - 2 aileron halves glued together then the 2 wing halves joined. I've also taken the masking off the fuselage - so putty and sanding required to eliminate seam line.
EDIT - HEAPS of sanding and filling there's no pics of that as it's definitely not fun and little to show for it - I'll put up pics later when there's more progress. I've had to start with 320 grade paper - by far the coarsest I've ever used on any model and then on to progressive finer grades. There's a small pile of shavings outside where it was ground down - it's rather tedious and alot of the detail around the seams has gone.
EDIT - After ALOT of sanding - the kits starts to take shape, wings and tail planes were glued into place, it's actually quite big.
Minor filling and gluing on of main canopy was next - this was then filled and sanded to give a seamless crossover from plastic to transparency. When complete - it's ready for it's paintjob....
EDIT - 9 Oct - Painting - airbrushed Acrylic 'scale black' was applied all over. Being acrylic, it's sprays easily and dries very quickly. I could then go onto highlighting in the same airbrush session.
Highlight details were applied with '100%' black to outlines - this is to break up a monotonous colour scheme and give the impression of a large scale aircraft (which it was) - it's wingspan was nearly that of a Lancasters and was just as long.
Close up of scale black with 100% black applied over.
Next is the application of light blue to the top side - as it's similiar to a previous pic above when it's sprayed on - I'll wait until mottle is applied which will be done by freehand by airbrush. The aircraft itself has a soft mottle unlike most fighters so it will be a gray-violet over the light blue. I'll do a separate thread next which can be transferred if need be along with a history of how the light blue came about to be on nightfighters of the Luftwaffe.
Edit - 10/10 Hooray - light blue acrylic applied. This was then lightly mottled gray violet.
EDIT - Transparencies were then added - it's starting to come together quite well now. All that sanding paid off....
The kit then got it's 'replacement' decals - just the basics here. Further decals need to be printed up to give it some character as it looked somewhat bare. I've also added the unit badge and an aircraft name of 'Vera' as I've seen 2 references with names on the same part of the fuselage. Hs293's dry fitted here and barely visible behind trailing edge.
The landing gear doors got the same treatment as the black on the airframe to make the whole kit look uniform. I could then get on with making and printing additional decals.
Decals were printed up - 1/72 scale is about a 5 or 6 size font - with a decal maker you can go right down to 1/200 scale, good luck if you can read it though. Decals are very crisp and clear despite the wavy look due to downsizing of pic. Walkway lines, octane triangles, warning stencils all included.
EDIT - The underside of the aircraft was done tonight - finishing the landing gear, exhaust shrouds, gluing bomb doors into place and adding the Hs293's into place. Underside complete and looking very harsh under the scrutiny of flash.
Remaining decals were added. Now it's really starting to look the part. Aerial was also added as with underwing decals - underside now complete! Another coat of Microsol to settle decals will be required though.
Topside was then finished - still some very minor decals to apply but certainly looking more complete with additional decals. The kit itself is completely OOB and unaltered (aside for aerial wire and decals) - so what you see is actually what you get with the build. I've included almost all the parts - crew, weapons etc there is another Hs293 you can add, however, it's looks a bit overkill and would require closing up of the bomb bay. Box art shows only 2 carried anyway.
Summary - well, this is quite a quick build OOB. Quite straightforward - 3 step exploded instructions but will some knocking into shape and serious sanding to come up well. I really enjoyed building it (ok, when don't I?) and despite it's old moulding it's still reasonable given it's age. It's age will show however, put next to the 2006 Revell release which I hear leaves this kit somewhat lacking. Still, a good kit for novice and experts alike.
A very sinister looking aircraft. Even though just a kit - it gives an idea of it's size. Taking the pic on a grim afternoon adds to it's look as a true 'heavy'.
Designed with 2 engines mated into 1 cowling driving 1 large airscrew - the idea was to the give the aircraft better performance by cutting drag of additional engines. This came at a cost as it was a huge fire risk from overheating. To it's crews - it became known as the 'Luftwaffe Lighter' and 'Flaming Coffin'.
Front end not unlike that of a B-29. It also had a double deck - a gunner/bomb aimer lay prone in the lower 'bubble' while the pilot sat above flying. The mid section had remote guns operated by a gunner in the smaller blister seen at the top.
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 08:46 am Post subject: Airfix 1/72 Lancaster BI |
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Well, it may as well be this one as well.
Plenty of other sprue shots - thought it seems this kit is a bit worn - plenty off flash and... oh, man.... the rivets... absolutely covered with them. Normally this wouldn't be a problem - but they're over size and it makes it look like a hedgehog. So first thing to do before even looking at paint or glue is to start sanding. I already have a build spec for this. It will be a 619 sqdn aircraft PG-P which I'll expand on later.
Nasty stuff - before being sanded and after. Making the rivets smaller will make the kit look alot better - I'm also hoping it may end up with slight indentations where there's been sanding for a slightly stressed skin look.
Sanding rivets, a modellers punishment. Clearly shown how many there were. I've also since discovered severe ejector pin marks in the fin and tailplane. Still, it certainly looks alot better and feels alot smoother now.
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 09:01 am Post subject: |
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The mottled camo on the Heinkel is amazing HT - was that done freehand?
Sadly, I missed it as it went along - because you edit your posts rather than adding new ones, they don't come up in the "View posts since last visit" page. Do you think you could go back to adding instead of editing?
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 09:09 am Post subject: |
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Yes, all freehand this time - I was going to do a little section on this, just remembered.
| Quote: | | Do you think you could go back to adding instead of editing? |
Yes, I did this with the trainer build too - the post also gets really long and makes it look as though I pasted through it in 20 mins...! |
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 09:14 am Post subject: |
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Superb Heinkel! Yes, the Revell kit is superior, but this thread demonstrates that with a little effort using an old Airfix kit you can achieve an outstanding result.
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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I've missed the progress on this one too 
Super finish as usual Ian  Makes me want to get my Revell one started, although that has Fritz X's rather than Hs293's 
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Ratch, the most recent Revell boxing of the Heinkel has the Hs 293 weapons.
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| Posted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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I got mine in the closing down sale at St. Albans, so not much choice
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Your Grief looks quite good! Highly Commendable!
Didn't the FritzX sink the Roma? |
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| Posted: Fri 12 Oct 2007 21:16 pm Post subject: |
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Amazing build on the He177, I hope I can do as much justice to the all singing and dancing Revell one I have in my stash.
Nice tip on the bomb bay accents, I'll bear that in mind for my Stirling build.
You're making me feel really inadequate starting your second build before I've even seriously started my first one . Are the rivets on the Lancaster raised? On the Stirling they are recessed like pin pricks, much easier to deal with.
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| Posted: Sat 13 Oct 2007 13:05 pm Post subject: |
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Lovely work on the 'Grief', an excellent build!
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| Quote: | | You're making me feel really inadequate starting your second build before I've even seriously started my first one |
Only because I had the time - and it was raining when I would otherwise have been outside.
| Quote: | | Are the rivets on the Lancaster raised |
Terribly so....  It must be an old moulding - it's quite shoddy in some respects. I just hope it turns out ok |
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| Posted: Fri 19 Oct 2007 16:40 pm Post subject: |
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Amazing H177 build ...I have one I need to make...at some point...shouldnt have looked at yours....now I‘ll never make it  |
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| Posted: Fri 19 Oct 2007 22:56 pm Post subject: |
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Vostoc 7 - you should build it - the idea of a Group Build is to drag them out to knock together, regardless of experience... 
The lancaster is going through the tedious phase of glue part 'A' to part 'B' - this includes ailerons, elevators, tailplanes and engines. There's nothing exciting worth taking a pic of yet, but when it starts to come together (hopefully soon - time permitting) I'll put pics up. I'm also starting on the interior by applying interior green paint. Again nothing exciting - but when it's ready to go together I'll put pics up then. Kit itself is a bit rough and somewhat basic (no bombs, no bomb bay doors etc) as this must be one of the first moulds Airfix used. End result should be interesting..... |
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| Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 19:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hows the Lanc coming along? Given your stunning build on the He177 I was half expecting you to be on your third build .
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