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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012 14:00 pm 
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Just a very quick question; I have started painting some Scots Guards (my first box of ground units  :) ). However, they seem to be coated in a waxy, soapy substance, that render painting impossible. It is like writing with a felt tip on plastic  :roll: . Is there anyway to fix this?

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Wash them first  :!:

I do the same. Just bath them in warm soapy water for 10/20 mins and it gets rid of all of the oily substances on it  :D

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.....then [if you can] spray with them with a 'Plastic' primer in a rattle-can from a car accessory shop.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012 23:49 pm 
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Or make up a watery PVA glue solution and dip them... When it's dry, jobs a good un!


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feanor:434960 wrote:
Ayup...

Or make up a watery PVA glue solution and dip them... When it's dry, jobs a good un!


I've tried the PVA but never got it to work, :?  if I make it thin enough so it doesnt block up the features [1/76 & 1/72] it just runs off, not leaving a decent coating.
But I understand it works for plenty of other modellers  :)

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I never used to, but I started doing it on the polythene plastic ones so I could use acrylics. Now I do it as a regular part. Usually grey primer, black or white undercoat

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Just a very quick question; I have started painting some Scots Guards (my first box of ground units  :) ). However, they seem to be coated in a waxy, soapy substance, that render painting impossible. It is like writing with a felt tip on plastic  :roll: . Is there anyway to fix this?


As already stated washing in detergent cleans of a lot of the grease, however, even this may not be good enough to stop acrylic paint from breaking up into blobs. If you have not got enamel paints, a solution is to prime the figures in a coat of matt enamel. Most people use black, but grey or even white will work too. This will provide a base for the acrylic paint. If the figures are going to be handled a coat of varnish or PVA after painting will protect them.


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Never wash them..just a black or grey acrylic base.

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Never tried this but what about dipping them in Future?


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DogTailRed2:435412 wrote:
Never tried this but what about dipping them in Future?

Dipping!!!!! Never!!!
For a couple of reasons..firstly that most of the dips leave the minis with a matt shine which secondly then needs after treatment with something like testors dullcoat which was banned in mainland Europe for  enviromental / health reasons.

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I never use to do any prep work prior to painting when I was young. No patience for it. Now that I am older I have learn "some" patience but I still rush things from time to time. I think many of us experienced this as we've grown older. But that is not what you are experiencing here so I will get to the piont.

The point is what everyone has said is spot on. I now wash all my models in a warm mild soap solution then rinse them with warm water. I set them aside and lightly pat them dry. I will leave them set out to air dry for at least a day before spraying them all with a couple of coats of primer. Again I let them set aside for at least another day. It is at this point I begin to do further prep work such as sanding or filing to remove excess plastic form the the molding process and ensure the parts with fit together properly.

Sometimes I wash the parts again after doing all I just mentioned. Some say I shouldn't have to but any oils or dirt on my hands and fingers will transfer to the model parts which could give problems when you go to paint. I use the same process as before. If needed I give them another coat of primer and the next day I begin painting.

Sounds crazy and time consuming but them I'm a little crazy and have to much time on my hands so it works for me.  :wink: I would like to see how it all turns out for you. I am going to my next club meeting (IPMS) which I hope some og the guys bring more models with them. I am looking to do some dioramas with military men and maybe a tank or something. I would like to compare notes and share our progress.

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Paul when you give your under coat do you brush or spray it on?
So far I have never pre treated/coated figures and haven't had much of a problem, i'm especially happy with the way my HAT tank riders came out and they were soft plastic.


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For plastic or resin figures I usually wash in detergent to remove the release agent then prime when dry before painting. I find that priming them helps to show up the detail ready for painting.

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Paul when you give your under coat do you brush or spray it on?
So far I have never pre treated/coated figures and haven't had much of a problem, i'm especially happy with the way my HAT tank riders came out and they were soft plastic.

Brush painted. For 3 reasons;
1. I can control the amount painted on, there´s no puddling with inevitable loss of detail or areas missed by spray painting
2. it´s a sort of inspection phase, I get to see detail, mistakes (spruelines etc)
3. The enviromental and health reasons.

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On this forum I have seen some quite incredibly detailed painting on soldiers in 1/72. My attempts at faces don't seem to go beyond flesh coloured paint, so I'd be interested in tips on this.

Secondly I often see webbing that has been accentuated with black outlines and I wonder how this is achieved as these lines seem smaller in width than my smallest brush.

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After painting over all I give my figures a burnt umber wash, which gathers in the facial features and creates false shadows and gives form.
For the black outlines, when I want them I paint the figure black over all first, paint the details, but not to the very edge of the other colour, this leaves a fine black line, or very deep shadow.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jan 2015 15:12 pm 
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Many thanks Fred.

Do you use different flesh colours beforehand, or is it very much down to the wash that creates depth to the faces in this scale?


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I use Fred's method on flesh as well. If you want to enhance it, very lightly dry brush the facial features with the original flesh color after the wash has dried. It will appear lighter than the first coat as it's not "washed" and will highlight the raised detail.

As to those lines, they're done in several ways. One is with oil paint that is applied as a thin line and then blended in using thinners. Tricky and tedious. Another is Fred's way. A simple way is to give the entire figure, except the flesh areas, a watercolor black wash. Then after it dries, use a moist (with water) paintbrush to remove the wash from where its not wanted. One tip when using washes is to first coat the figure with dull varnish. This seals the paint and prevents permanent stains.


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