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Should Humbrol re-introduce the Humbrol Colour System?
Poll ended at Sat 12 May 2007 13:01 pm
Yes 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
No 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
No, they should re-introduce Humbrol Authentics instead 67%  67%  [ 26 ]
They should re-introduce both Authentics and the Colour System 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
Not bothered one way or the other 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2007 13:01 pm 
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Darrell Burge (Airfix Marketing Manager) asked me if Humbrol should re-introduce the Humbrol Colour System Binder for their Humbrol Enamels range. I was absent from modelling whilst the binder was available and never saw it. I believe it contained paint chips and instructions on how to mix existing Humbrol paints to create the many colours that disappeared when Humbrol withdrew their range of Authentic and other paint colours.

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Personally, I would prefer to see an re-introduction of an expanded Humbrol Authentics range than have to mix colours - which drives me nuts! Some people may prefer to mix colours though. Anyway, I told Darrell that as my knowledge of the Colour System was limited, I would ask you all for your comments so that I could pass them onto him. So, cast your vote and leave any comments below.

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I have the binder, and some of the formulae are ridiculous, involving up to a hundred parts of different colours. I'd prefer to see the Authentics back, although some of the original colours were a bit off the standards and would need to be corrected.


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Having a ready to use colour is my preference. Currently I'm mixing colours using Urban's charts from IPMS Stockholm. Having the correct colour ready in a pot means less wastage and greater consistency between coats. I've tried the Xtracolour range which seem very good.

Having said that I appreciate it would be impossible to represent every possible colour, so an accurate, easy, mixing system would be a benefit.

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I'd love to see the authentics colours back too. The trouble with mixing instructions and sample colours on the Humbrol Leaflets is that they are not always the exact colour match. Mixing a colour can be quite hard, and for someone who is colourblind for example, I have complete sympathy as judging a correct shade would be nearly impossible.

I would defiantly use the Authentics Range without a doubt.

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Sadly, I was in the Army when everything changed, so I find myself somewhat 'out of the loop' when it comes to paint colours. I do remember Humbrol Authentics. My last tin died last year. I also remember (although I never saw one) some sort of 'blueprint' paint card for certain subjects produced by Humbrol. I also have reason to believe (but I have not seen) that a reference card existed that listed the Humbrol Authentic paints to the Humbrol replacement paints.

I use paints straight out of the tinlet. Mixing paints is annoying and if you get it wrong, it's a waste of paint. I would like to see the return of the Authentics range even if it only covers WWII armour and aircraft. In my opinion, this would be economicly viable. Hell, White Ensign does an 'Authentic' range for shipping!

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2007 18:42 pm 
I find the Colour System folder very useful as a reference, but as I already have one wouldn't be in the market for any more unless they were to expand the range of chips. As Richard points out some of the mixes are ridiculous and in some cases superfluous where there is a standard colour that is as near as dammit the same - Hu 90 Beige Green is a very close match to Sky for example. Given a choice I would think most modellers would want the Authentics back - I would for sure, but a decent set of chips either in the Colour System format or a fan deck would be very handy.

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I've mixed some colours in the past, but it's a bit of a pain and I'd rather use colours straight from the pot.

If the Colour System is anything like the Urban mixes, then there is no way I'd use it - anything more complex than "2 drops of this, to 1 drop of that" and it gets way too complicated and inconsistent.

Having said that, though, it would be nice to have mixes available in case you need them, hence I have voted for both. Slap bang on the middle of the fence, that's me :roll:

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I voted for the return of the Authentics :wink:
I still have eight tinlets from that range, but of course, all the popular/useful colours ran out long ago :( A year or so ago I started buying Xtracolour enamels to have real colours without having to mix (and stand the chance of mixing differently :x ), but I'd certainly buy Humbrol Authentics if they were locally available 8-)

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Please ,Please ,please give me authentics anytime ,as has been said previously trying to mix some of those colours is just plain daft and always without fail you will either mix to much ( wastage) or not enough and then try and repeat making the same colour again,impossible. :D

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One technique that I have not mastered is mixing paints. Give me the correct colour straight from the tin anytime.

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 10:10 am 
Accurate mixing is possible if you get some of these squeezy pipettes but there is no doubt painting straight from the tinlet is a lot less hassle. BTW a lot of model shops stock pipettes these days.

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I use Pipettes like those for Airbrushing when I am mixing out the quantities. The trouble is, they are very hard to clean out thourghly so a layer of paint always stays on the sides, meaning that it is very hard to judge the amount you have sucked up. :idea:

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Definate NO to the colour system!

I'm colour blind and I detest mixing paint -even if it is by number and pipette quantity. I'll either mix up too much which is a waste (but in Humbrols favour as I'll be buying more paint). Or I'll mix up too little and I'll never get an exact match if I need to mix up more.

I didn't buy the colour sustem last time and I wouldn't buy it this time either! I would also question that if it was so good last time why was it dropped?

Bring back the authentics!


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I would also question that if it was so good last time why was it dropped?
Fair comment, although I'm not sure it was dropped as such, I can remember seeing paint cups and folders knocking around up until last years shennanigans. Humbrol tried to go down this route in order to rationalise (reduce if you prefer) the paint range. I didn't like the idea personally, but the folder with the chips is without doubt a handy resource/reference. At the moment if you are looking for an 'authentic' style paint there is always Xtracolour or White Ensign, both ranges are very extensive. Begs the question if relatively small outfits could do it, why not one of the big players like Humbrol?

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No to the colour system!

I'd like to see a revised series of Authentic Colours that doesn't include such inventions as 'Khaki Drab' and '8th Army Desert Yellow' - no such things. Research has moved on a long a way since the early 70s and there's no need to perpetuate the errors of the past.

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I have also opted for a return of the 'Authentics' range. I really dislike mixing up colours, besides never quite matching the same colour twice I always seem to waste such a lot :( , perhaps this suits the manufacturers more though :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 18:39 pm 
Ayup all...

I too favour the 'no' vote.

What people need is a 'one stop' range of accurate paint for people to use. If it were so, then folks would still stockpile the colours they need. Easy for Humbrol, easy for us...

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If Humbrol kept pace and issued the new and accurate colours we wouldn't need the likes of Xtracolor (which takes forever to dry), or WEM paint (never tried). Or other 'cottage industry' paint.

I like Humbrol paint, I guess beacause it's in my 'comfort zone' and is easily obtainable. I'm not keen on Revell and hate all the mixing their instructions tell you to do when you build one of their kits. I find I use the nearest Humbrol match even if sometimes it's not quite right.
Now if Humbrol were to produce the old Authentics with new colours I would never have to buy another brand again and my models would possibly look that bit more realistic.


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I vote for the return of the Authentics.
Now I am using also Agama acrylic paints to cover the RLM and ANA colours, they are good but I would prefer to use Authentics enamels.

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Give me Authentics. It would save all that mixing, we do enough already :roll:

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