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 Post subject: Luftwaffe Mottling
PostPosted: Sun 13 Apr 2008 21:21 pm 
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Hi Folks

I've tried (rather unsatisfactorily) to search for help on how I go about painting  camo with my bristly brushes. Its the particular German mottled camo (sorry, is there a correct name for it ?) for my 110 and 109 that I want to paint. I don't have an airbrush at all, so if anyone has any tips or has done it themselves, any help would be greatly appreciated

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A mottled Luftwaffe camo is never going to be absolutely right unless you spray.  But since I don't spray paint (can't take the fumes and I refuse to model in a space suit) I've learned that painting the mottled Luftwaffe plane is an exercise in care and planning.  

Get a photo of the actual plane.  Study it.  Take the brush and try to replicate what you see.  Don't depend on a "method" or or "tool" to do the job.  Remember that plenty of artists have painted these German planes on canvas and they managed to get it.

There are at least two main schools of thought on this.  One is the "make fuzzy dots" school.  They would take a regular brush (about No. 1 size) and cut off all but a little stub of bristles.  Then get a tiny bit of paint on the stubble brush and stab at the surface to be painted, producing a "fuzzy spot."  You can also use other devices, but this is not how I approach it at all.

Here is an example.  I have photos showing the FW-190A of Pips Priller. So I look at that and try to paint, without any concern for fuzziness, what I see.  This is the result:

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The "spotches" are just dots, painted to be the correct shape and size.  No effort was made make them fuzzy.  

Each different plane will require a different approach, but painting with a brush requires that you pay more attention to the details, because you can't rely on the airbrush effect to hide mistakes.  Your markings have to be the right shape in the right place, because if they aren't, then they are going to look all the more "wrong."

I hope this is helpful to you.

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I've used an old No.1 Brush and cut right down to the stem. I suppose this'd be the "fuzzy method". Whatever the technique, just don't go overboard with it - less is more etc. 8-)

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I like using a sponge :)

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the fuzzy technique you all refer to is  called stippling ,the secret  on models is to combine this with a dry brush technique .I do believe you can now get etched brass stencils for this now .If you remember to keep the brush as near dry as possible you can get good results,but practise  on old scrap first :D

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I use a piece of sponge too:
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One more suggestion...

I found it very helpful, for some reason, when I discovered that the Luftwaffe mottling was sometimes called "the falling leaves pattern."

So I paint falling leaves and it usually works out well.  Unfortunately, the two BF-109's that showed this best were destroyed in a freaky accident.  Now I wish I'd kept the pieces...

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With a brush I stipple  :wink:
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put the paint on as dry as possible  :thumb:
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or try a wet-wash, apply two or more colours simultaneously  :shock:
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Great, thanks guys. Will have a practice and give it a go - if I feel brave enough with the result, I'll post a pic, but we'll see !

Everyone generous with helpful advice as always

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You know, it just occurred to me...

There ought to be a way to make decals for these "splotches" using a laser printer.  Anybody ever try this?  I'm going to give it a shot... someday.  :D

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I think someone has but just for 1/144

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Hi All

Ive only been making Airfix Aircraft modles for a few weeks and ive made a few already mostly RAF. Ive recived the Revell 1:32 Messerschmitt Bf 109F for christmas and cant wait to build it. The only worry I have is the camouflage looks very hard to get looking like the instructions.

Any advice or tips you may have will help me alot

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Is that the molders plane from years ago?

If so, its not that difficult even with a brush.

The entire under surface and fuselage sides should be pale blue.

In summer the unper wings and the upper fuselage should be black green/green in a pattern called 'splinter', the instruction sheet should show this. In fall and winter the colors are dark gray/gray.

on the fuselage side, where its pale blue, there are irregular 'blotches' of green in summer, gray in winter, this can be done with an airbrush, or with a brush using very thin paint.


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Another way to do mottle is with a sponge  :idea:

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Yet another way of the mottling, is to cut the end off of a paint brush, so its as flat as possible, dip in the paint and put on the model at a 90 degree angle

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Another way, if you're handier with a computer than an airbrush, is to make some mottle patterns on clear decal film and a "paint" program. Practice on plain paper first.

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The computer idea is a good one.  Another possibility is to avoid the mottling and do one of the JG54 schemes.

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Or JG 27 - RLM 79 over RLM 78 :)

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As above, the secret is to research on google, and find the one YOU want to build. Try this (image search with bf-109F as the criteria):

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=bf-109 ... 59&bih=818

Hope that gives you some ideas. If you're already set on the mottling scheme, the cheapest option is the chopped off paint brush (bristles must be exactly even - you mustn't miss any, and all approx 5mm long worked well for me.)

Best of luck - we look forward to seeing it

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Try the chopped brush method first, it is the easiest. I use the cheapest of the cheap nasty children's nylon brushes, from a set, bought at a supermarket for 99p. They are no good for any normal painting, but come with a few round brushes that are good for the purpose.

I tend to find that dipping the brush in the paint, then removing most of the paint from it by a dab on some kitchen role, before dabbing the model is best - kind of semi dry brushing (dabbing). But you can do it with full on (loaded brush) blobs also.

Practise on something other than the model first. It sounds hard in theory but you will be surprised how easy it is to get a fairly decent look.


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