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 Post subject: Pigment Powders
PostPosted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 15:29 pm 
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i was reading an article on the FSM website, and it mentioned pigmant powders, now i have heard about them before, but i was not sure what they were,  am still not sure, but i can see that they can make a model, look very relistic, so can anyone tell me, what exactly they are, how you use them (and on what types of paint), where i can buy them, what sort of price they are.

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I've got a couple of powders made by MiG Pigments - I haven't used them much but you can either apply them as a powder as a drybrushing medium or make a paste by mixing them with White Spirits/Turps.

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I reccomend MiG Pigments they are £2.75 each but last for ages :idea:

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I use artists' Conte crayons, in various colours, filed into a powder and brushed on. They make good 'dry' staining like exhausts for example, and with careful colour matching can be used to subtly emphasise panels etc.


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cheers for the info guys, the article i read said that they were used with rubbing alcohol, how does this differ for normal alchol, ans if this is used will it pickle enamel paint, like white spirit does?

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I'd be a bit careful about using rubbing alcohol on anything painted with acrylics!  :shock:

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Buy MiG Pigments they are easy to get hold of and are great!

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 Post subject: MIG pigments
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Having foolishly stored my pot of MIG Thinner For Washes on its side without properly securing the lid  :hithead:  I tried ordinary white spirit in the same role, and can report that it works exactly the same  :D
It can be brushed into the pigments to give a wash or wicked onto the powder to give that mud-spattered finish  :P  The powders are not fixed and can be rubbed down (when dry) just like with MIG's own product, and can be fixed with their Pigment Fixer (there's probably something out there that works in the same way, both cheaper and readily available  :Whistling: ).
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I use pastel fixative...is cheaper and comes in a bigger bottle...you can buy it in art shops...
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There, I knew somene would know  :cheers:

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Well, Maybe it is even the same product.  It is used by art painters for the same purpose...fix pastel dust to their paintings...and mig pigments are nothing than pastel dust.  Mig even sells white spirit.  A small bottle for the price you get a big bottle for in a shop.  And is it better?  Don't think so.  Mig products are generally very expensive for what you get, and most of it is available in an art store, or you can mix it.  But Mig productions is not owned by miguel jimenez anymore.  Miguel has a new company called AK interactive, I believe a joint cooperative withe vallejo.  Bought some of the new AK interactive products because they look promising.  A dust wash, a mud wash, a product to make rust stains, and a product to make grime stripes on your mlodels. Hope to use them after my holiday and maybe post the results here...
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Thanks Pascal, I've not heard of AK Interactive, but I'd be interested in the performance of their product  :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Aug 2010 12:39 pm 
Ayup Pascal and Ratch...

What about Hairspray or clear flat to hold the Mig Pigs on... ? I have some, (Mig Pigs, not Hairspray- I don't need it ! :wink:) and have tried to use them, but they just fell off...  and so they're looking at me from their Dusty corner... Be a shame not to use them if and when I could... :cry:


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Wouldn't the hairspray blow the powder off  :scratch:

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Ayup Ratch...

Not if you Misted it on, presumably,and didn't blast the model full on...


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You should try it and let us know about the results  :P

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Ayup Boss...

I knew you were Gonna say that.

Now, where exactly would I Muddy Old 'Enery up then ? :wink:


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I presume you put on the airspray first and then the pigments?
Because I need a good fixation.  Two years ago I was on holiday and my mum had the idea to dust of my models... :(
All pigments gone, some pieces broken off...had a lot of work when I came back from holiday.
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 Post subject: MIG Pigments
PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb 2012 22:15 pm 
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Several people have asked for tips on how to apply these. The next time I use them I'll make a photo-tutorial (or try to)  :lol:
In the mean time here's a few words based on the DVD's I've seen  :P

MIG Pigments are spirit dissolvable, so are best applied to acrylic paint jobs  :wink:  They can be applied in several ways to give various effects  :arrow:
They can be mixed with Thinner For Washes (basically the same as White Spirit), and washed over the surfaces. This is an unstable medium and can be rubbed off/down to give the desired effect. Alternatively the TFW/WS can be flooded over the surface and the powder picked up on a brush and flicked onto the liquid giving a spattered look.

For a permanent fix, the same methods can be used to apply with Pigment Fixer, but like I said, this is a permanent fix and won't rub off  :nailbite:  You need to be pretty sure of the effect you're applying this way, so its best to do a test run on something expendible first  :wink:

For caked mud, mix the pigments with sand, plaster of Paris, PVA glue and a little water. The gooey mess can be spread with a spatula or pallet knife over the lower surfaces of AFV's and softskins  :twisted:

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A small tutorial  :roll:
Jeremy73 kindly supplied me with the correct exhaust for my Panzer IV, so firstly I painted it with Tamiya Gunmetal, then dabbed on some Vallejo Panzer Yellow Primer  :arrow:
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This shows the Rust, Old Rust, Smoke Black and Ashes White with the painted exhaust and Thinner For Washes and Fixer  :wink:

The exhaust is flooded with Thinner For Washes
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Rust is then sprinkled off the brush onto the wetted exhaust
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On the reverse side of the exhause, the Rust is brushed on
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Old Rust is then sprinkled over the new Rust
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Black Smoke sprinkled around the outlet and a little of the white ashes on the top
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and fitted in place
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