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What is best match for US WW2 Olve Drab in the Humbrol Range?
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I'll set the ball rolling by plumping for H155

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I have a few tins of that but I have heard that H 102 was a better match  :shrug: ?

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Unweathered factory fresh Hu66 Olive Drab.
Weathered Hu155 Olive Drab.

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Unweathered factory fresh Hu66 Drab Olive.
Weathered Hu155 Olive Drab.

That's my take  :thumb:
102  :fear:

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H 102 - absolutely not.

Where does this colour originate from anyway? Several of the others in the same part of the current Humbrol range are ex-Authentic Colours, but I can't find an obvious match to H 102.

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H 102 - absolutely not.

Where does this colour originate from anyway? Several of the others in the same part of the current Humbrol range are ex-Authentic Colours, but I can't find an obvious match to H 102.

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Over the web I have read people talking about 102 as a weathered OD.

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i would say 102 is probably wrong, but i have looked at looked at 155 and it looks too me like like plain brown, what i usually use for most of my british and american AFVs is Hu86, which when weathered - dry burshed with 29 or 26 looks quite good, but really i think it would be hard nowadays to establish exactly what the colour was so really i think you should go with what ever you think looks best.

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I don't have a chart for American AFV's but here's a British one  :arrow:

B.S. Code Humbrol Remarks
No.3 B.S.381-1939 Khaki Green 30 Base colour, 3-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1939.
No.4 B.S. 381-1939No.24 B.S. 381-1930 Dark Green 75 Dark disruptive colour, 3-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1939.
No.5 B.S.381-1939No.22 B.S.381-1930 Light Green 80 Light disruptive colour, 3-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1939.

No.2 B.S.987C-1942 Khaki Brown 26 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1941.
No. 1A B.S.987C-1942 Dark Earth 29 Secondary colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1941.

No.7 B.S.381-1939 Khaki Green 151 Base colour, Europe 1942.

No.2 B.S.987C-1942 Khaki Brown 26 Base colour, Europe 1942 – 1943.

No.15 B.S.987C-1942 Khaki Drab 159 Base colour, Mickey mouse pattern, Europe 1944.
Black 33 Disruptive colour, Mickey mouse pattern, Europe 1944.

No.24 B.S.381-1942 Deep Bronze Green 75 Base colour, Europe 1945.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1939.

No.34 B.S.381-1930 Slate Grey 31 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1940.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 3-colour diagonal bands pattern, North Africa 1940.
No.28 B.S.381-1930 Light Grey 64 Disruptive colour, 3-colour diagonal bands pattern, North Africa 1940.
No.34 B.S.381-1930 Slate Grey 31 Disruptive colour, 3-colour diagonal bands pattern, North Africa 1940.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1942.
No.44 B.S.381-1930 Terra Cotta 70 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1942.

No.23 B.S.381-1930 Middle Bronze Green 30 Base colour, North Africa (Tunisia) 1943.

Light Mud Middle Stone 84 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Sicily 1943.
Blue-Black 67 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Sicily 1943.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Syria, Persia, Iraq 1943.
No.44 B.S.381-1930 Terra Cotta 70 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Syria, Persia, Iraq 1943.

No.13 B.S.987C-1942 Jungle Green 116 Base colour, Burma 1942.
No.16 B.S.381-1930 Deep Bronze Green 75 Base colour, Burma 1945.

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The question arises: what do you want to paint with OD?  The answer will be different if you are doing a military vehicle, than if you are doing an aircraft.  The US did not apply strict quality control to the shade of the colour, so you will find different shades of OD on different aircraft - and even on the same aircraft.  This is common on B-17s and C-47s, to name the most obvious examples.  Then there is the effect of fading, which tended to turn some to a dark brown and others to a green or a greenish-grey.

For the military, White Ensign Models have recently matched a colour to a well-preserved Jeep.

I would avoid Humbrol 66: this is far too dark, and is best used for postwar military vehicles, especially if buffed up for parades. H155 is good if you want a greenish shade, perhaps a factory-fresh example.  I have tended to use Humbrol French Artillery Green, but would prefer a browner shade if I could find one.


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This Easy Eight was painted with Hu: 66 with Hu: 155 highlights
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Long Tom is all over Hu: 155
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as is the Dakota
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The Fort is painted in Xtracolor enamels, X: 112 ANA613 Olive Drab = upper surfaces & X: 113 WWII Faded Olive Drab = weathered upper surfaces while the tow truck is Hu: 66
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The anti-glare panels are Hu: 66
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Ratch wrote:
I don't have a chart for American AFV's but here's a British one  :arrow:

B.S. Code Humbrol Remarks
No.3 B.S.381-1939 Khaki Green 30 Base colour, 3-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1939.
No.4 B.S. 381-1939No.24 B.S. 381-1930 Dark Green 75 Dark disruptive colour, 3-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1939.
No.5 B.S.381-1939No.22 B.S.381-1930 Light Green 80 Light disruptive colour, 3-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1939.

No.2 B.S.987C-1942 Khaki Brown 26 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1941.
No. 1A B.S.987C-1942 Dark Earth 29 Secondary colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Europe 1941.

No.7 B.S.381-1939 Khaki Green 151 Base colour, Europe 1942.

No.2 B.S.987C-1942 Khaki Brown 26 Base colour, Europe 1942 – 1943.

No.15 B.S.987C-1942 Khaki Drab 159 Base colour, Mickey mouse pattern, Europe 1944.
Black 33 Disruptive colour, Mickey mouse pattern, Europe 1944.

No.24 B.S.381-1942 Deep Bronze Green 75 Base colour, Europe 1945.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1939.

No.34 B.S.381-1930 Slate Grey 31 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1940.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 3-colour diagonal bands pattern, North Africa 1940.
No.28 B.S.381-1930 Light Grey 64 Disruptive colour, 3-colour diagonal bands pattern, North Africa 1940.
No.34 B.S.381-1930 Slate Grey 31 Disruptive colour, 3-colour diagonal bands pattern, North Africa 1940.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1942.
No.44 B.S.381-1930 Terra Cotta 70 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, North Africa 1942.

No.23 B.S.381-1930 Middle Bronze Green 30 Base colour, North Africa (Tunisia) 1943.

Light Mud Middle Stone 84 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Sicily 1943.
Blue-Black 67 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Sicily 1943.

No.61 B.S.381-1930 Light Stone 121 Base colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Syria, Persia, Iraq 1943.
No.44 B.S.381-1930 Terra Cotta 70 Disruptive colour, 2-colour disruptive pattern, Syria, Persia, Iraq 1943.

No.13 B.S.987C-1942 Jungle Green 116 Base colour, Burma 1942.
No.16 B.S.381-1930 Deep Bronze Green 75 Base colour, Burma 1945.


As it happens, I have my preciously guarded copy of BS381-1930 in front of me as I type. The following may therefor be of interest.

There's no such colour as Khaki Green in the standard.

Colour 24 is Deep Bronze Green, not Dark Green. Similarly, Colour 22 is Light Bronze Green.

Light Stone is Colour 61.

There is no colour called Light Grey in the standard.

"Slate Grey" should be only "Slate" and is Colour 34. It's nearer Humbrol 27 than Humbrol 31.

Terra Cotta is Colour 44. It's much redder than 70.

There is no colour Light Mud in the standard, but Middle Stone is Colour 62 and is matched by Humbrol 225 - its the same as the RAF colour.

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And after all that, it will all depend on the lighting ....... The only way is to look at actual colours preferably in the type of lighting you would normally view the models.

Also you will need someone with perfect colour vision to give an accurate guide. That's about 15 % of the population.  :lol:


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Graham Boak wrote:
The question arises: what do you want to paint with OD?  The answer will be different if you are doing a military vehicle, than if you are doing an aircraft.  The US did not apply strict quality control to the shade of the colour, so you will find different shades of OD on different aircraft - and even on the same aircraft.  This is common on B-17s and C-47s, to name the most obvious examples.  Then there is the effect of fading, which tended to turn some to a dark brown and others to a green or a greenish-grey.

For the military, White Ensign Models have recently matched a colour to a well-preserved Jeep.

I would avoid Humbrol 66: this is far too dark, and is best used for postwar military vehicles, especially if buffed up for parades. H155 is good if you want a greenish shade, perhaps a factory-fresh example.  I have tended to use Humbrol French Artillery Green, but would prefer a browner shade if I could find one.


I've always thought that Humbrol 66 was a reasonable match for the BS381C colour 337 Very Dark Drab, as used on Finnish Hawks.

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Humbrol 102 started out as Authentic HI1, Italian Mottle Green. I don't think it looks much like an olive drab.


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Ratch: your listing of British Army colours does not match Mike Starmer's mixes for the same colours.  The fact that they all equate to a single Humbrol colour renders them very suspicious to my mind.

And to name one example: 75 is used to match two different colours.  75 used to be a very nice match of Deep Bronze Green but the pigments changed some time ago and it is no longer as useful.  Presumably it matches something......

However, even British Olive Drab is not the same as US Army Olive Drab, being greener.


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I can't recall where I borrowed the chart from  :?  but its the only one I've seen for British vehicles  :roll:
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Ratch wrote:
I can't recall where I borrowed the chart from  :?  but its the only one I've seen for British vehicles  :roll:
I'm always ready to cede to reliable sources  :nod:


This here's what you need squire.

http://www.mafva.net/other%20pages/Starmer%20camo.htm

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Thanks John  :cheers:
Is there one with Humbrol (or another paint) references  :shrug:

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