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PostPosted: Thu 02 Oct 2008 17:34 pm 
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Hi all,

I am looking after some painting tips and techniques, including articles, for painting 32nd scale horses.

It would be my first one so I really am a newcomer in that matter...

Many thanks for your help,

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Only painted HO/OO horses from airfix jungle outpost set I would suggest painting the whole of the body first in whatever colour you want then do the straps round it's head etc in either a tan or dark brown like Revell 84 for old leather or you could use hu110 that looks good to.

Two coloured horse I'd tape of an area once first coats dry then paint second colour over areas not taped off. For dappled just get a naff brush and dab it around with whatever colour like you would on a plane


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Undercoat the horse with a matt enamel of an appropriate colour. Lots of modellers prefer to use oil paints, due to their richness and that they dry with a slight sheen. Paint the base coat, putting down the brush-stokes in the direction of the hair growth. Horses are rarely uniform in colour - basically the undercoat is lighter and the upper is obviously darker and richer. Any distinctive markings like a blaze on the face or socks are added after. Hoofs with white socks should be light greyish-yellow, whereas un-socked ones should be dark grey or brown. Hardly any white should be seen in the eyes. Muzzle skin is hairless, as are the lips and nostrils, and pinkish-grey is suitable.
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I would agree with whats been said,

Do the base coat first and then blend in with the second colour to get the finish desired then fill in the detail like the straps and face

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Many thanks for your help guys!!

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It is worthwhile familiarising yourself with the various types of horses before you set out.  Have a good look at their anatomy and colouration.....Better still, go riding!  :idea:  

Horse musculature is simply massive by comparison with human and can stand some exaggeration in miniature.  Remember too that a horse is not 100% covered in hair and that different horses will often have a distinct texture.  A shaggy look can be achieved with very careful drybrushing, whereas a sleeker coat requires subtle highlighting and shade.  :idea:  

One critical point to remember is that horses are as unique as humans, so try not to make them identical unless you are modelling a paired event at a horseshow!  :idea:

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Also be aware that horse colours have changed over the years and that colour often had military significance. In many horse and musket era armies, the horse was part of the unit's uniform.

Elite regiments usually rode black horses, so for example Napoleon's Horse Grenadiers and Carabiniers all rode black mounts, as did the British Household Cavalry and Dragoon Guard regiments. In French line cavalry regiments the colours darkened with seniority, so the 1st squadron of line regiments would be black, the 2nd would be brown, the 3rd would be dark bay, and the 4th would be bright bay. Buglers rode grey horses (which are actually mostly white and get whiter as the animal ages), musicians rode piebald horses, and officers rode what they liked and could afford, with greys and palominoes popular because expensive.

Casualties would take some toll of this, but units on campaign would distribute remounts along these lines for as long as possible. In practical terms, it was of great help rallying, because it made finding the rest of your squadron easier. Units also avoided white markings as far as possible, because they made the unit look untidy. These are much more commonplace now than they were then - if you look at contemporary artwork from the Napoleonic era, white markings on the horses in battle paintings are rare.

Note also that British heavy cavalry horses always had the tail docked in the Napoleonic era. Wellington liked this because it was a recognition feature. British cavalry were the best-mounted in Europe in that era - not many of them and they didn't get expended in Russia - so as well as observing all the niceties there were non-elite regiments with regimentally distinctive horses, eg the Queen's Bays and the Scots Greys.

Tack was of a standard colour per army - brown in the British and US armies, black in most others.    

As to painting them, I usually undercoat in a dark colour and then go over them several times with different shades till I get a result I like, then drybrush on the highlights. With black horses, the body is best highlighted in very dark brown and the legs, tail, mane and muzzle in grey. Remember that horses' coats are semi-glossy but their muzzles, manes and tails are usually almost completely flat unless dresssed up for parade. Horses' mouths and nostrils are a very pale pink rather than the very red one tends to assume. Coat d'Arms does a range of special horse acrylic colours.

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Hi Lads,

Many thanks again for all your precious information!!

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Ayup All...

I'm of the opinion that painting horses should be done in a locked barn AFTER the ranchers gone to bed. same with rustling. (unless he doesn't mind of course...)  :wink:

Of course, unless he's Mr. Ed !


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I've made a number of these kits and getting the right finish on the horse was always a challenge.

I used to use matt paint with a little gloss mixed in to give it a "sheen". I wonder if todays satin finish paints would work?

I also read somewhere that dabbing the paint on with a piece of sponge gave look to the horse, anyone tried this?


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I've used that technique before to get a rough finish.....But not on horses, I used it on filthy and battered tanks!  :shock:

I'm working on a pony right now, to accompany some WWII Japanese chaps,  so I might well give it a go when the paint comes out.....All the poor pack animals I see in period pictures are plastered in mud up to their ears!  :(

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I actually painted this horse with enamels, rather than oils but, using the same techniques described above  :arrow:
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Hu: 186 Matt Brown/Hu: 160 Matt German Camouflage Brown/Hu: 98 Matt Chocolate/Hu: 33 Matt Black = horse’s coat & mane
Hu: 32 Matt Dark Grey = hooves
Hu: 21 Gloss Black = eyes, tack
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Hi all, is there any guides out there on painting 1/72 horses and what colours would be best.


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I've merged your question with the existing thread Rowland  :wink:
As far as I'm concerned, the principles remain the same regardless of scale  :idea:

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Okay thanks


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It might be worth looking at some of the Warhammer guides for tips.  

I have friend who's done quite a few of their mounted units, particularly Bretonians. Her Pegasi are quite amazing.

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Will do many thanks



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Checked out the sites mentioned and some truly remarkable painted horses. My next question is can anybody advise me what colours I would need as  they aren't mentioned what colours they used on the sites. I do have some colours already but not sure would they work on horses.


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For these I've used Tamiya acrylics
    XF-2: Flat White + XF-55: Deck Tan = horse #1
    XF-53: Neutral Grey + XF-1: Flat Black = horse #2
    XF-52: Flat Earth + XF-64: Red Brown = horse #3
    XF-52: Flat Earth + XF-64: Red Brown + XF-1: Flat Black = horse #4

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I belong to a few different forums and I wish they would answer back as quick as you all do on this site many thanks for the information Rtach


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