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 Post subject: Pocher is back!
PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013 18:19 pm 
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Remember the demise of the huge Pocher kits some years back?
There has been much speculation as to whether any of these would see the light of day again.
Hornby, who as we know own Airfix, announced that they would be re introducing Pocher at the 2013 Nurenberg Toy Fair.
Well it has happened! Not a re release of one of the old kits but a brand new model.
The Lamborghini Aventador Italian Supercar is the subject of this spectacular huge new kit in 1/8th scale.
I have heard that the body is a pre painted diecast unit, and I guess that there will be many parts moulded in plastic on it as well.
You can see it on the Hornby website.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013 22:47 pm 
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Never heard of these before (having died out before I re-entered the hobby) but they do look like amazing kits. The Aventador is a beautiful car but I fear the cost of one in 1/8 will be as unobtainable as one in 1/1!

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013 23:02 pm 
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I remember seeing them back in the '70s - could never afford them as they where even more exepensive than Tamiya. Seem to recall thay did stunning F1 cars.

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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You are right Ian. The 1970's Pochers were very expensive, as were the 1/12th scale Tamiya F1 kits.
It is noticeable that a lot of F1 stuff is being churned out in 1/20th these days by the mainstream manufacturers.
Now if only Airfix tapped into the 1/20th scale to make historic racing cars like the Mercedes W163, Auto Union, Vanwall, Alfetta 158 or Bugatti Type 35B to complement the newer stuff that every one else does, they could find a niche market here.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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When it comes to cars, the modern Airfix seem to favour British brands (or at least brands perceived as being British), so if they were to move into F1 cars they'd probably be better considering such names as Cooper, Vanwall, Lotus and BRM. Having said that, though, surely they couldn't go far wrong with anything driven by Stirling Moss, such as the Maserati 250F and Mercedes-Benz W196M...

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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Hello!

Pocher was an Italian firm that was part of the Rivarossi group (Rivarossi = trains)

The first production (the best) consisted of veteran luxury or racing cars such as Rolls Royce, Bugatti, Alfa Romeos, and a racing Fiat from the first 20th century's decade... these kits were huge and impressive: thousands of multi-media pieces to build a museum model... common features were engine's inner details such as crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshaft and valves... operating drum brakes... sliding windows (operated by the inner winders)... seats to build from the metal frame to the filling and upholstery... spoke wheels to build spoke by spoke... the bodies were made of plastic... it took one year to make a good job (also because the fittings were often poor), but the result of a good modeler's work was (and is) astonishing...

In the eighties, following the market, Pocher issued some contemporary Ferraris and a Porsche 911, always in 1/8th scale: 512 Testarossa in Berlinetta and Spider version, F40... those kits were totally another thing, and they were quite poor for the scale (and the price)... they were substantially big diecast to build, with zamac pre-painted body (ugly paint with no primer anf a lot of "orange peel") and the rest of the pieces made of an horrible plastic, more good for a toy than for a model...in Italy, we called them "the big Buragos"...

I'm curious to see the new issues..

Sorry for my English...


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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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Just seen the video on the Hornby website... looks absolutely fantastic! Proper hydraulic doors, with soft opening mechanism.

Fantastic price too... £500!

http://www.hornby.com/shop/pocher/

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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I was waiting for it to turn up on the UK site. Hornby UK was not listed as a distributor on the Pocher website.

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farmroad38 wrote:
Fantastic price too... £500!


Fantastic good or bad?! :wink:

In fact if you commissioned somebody to turn out something of that size/quality it would likely cost fahsands of pahnds.

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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peebeep wrote:
farmroad38 wrote:
Fantastic price too... £500!


Fantastic good or bad?! :wink:

In fact if you commissioned somebody to turn out something of that size/quality it would likely cost fahsands of pahnds.

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Bit of both! :wink:

If it's as good as it looks in the video, it's definitely worth it, but far more than I'd be willing to part with. And it's big - where would you put it?!

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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It's certainly a big beast. Approximately 600mm long and 250mm wide (2 feet long and 10 inches in old money). I worked it out from full scale size, so it might be a bit out.

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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Gorgeous looking car for a model subject. An earlier post mentioned that the previous Pochers with die cast bodies were not very good.
I sincerely hope that Hornby have upped the ante on this kit with regard to quality compared to the old Rivarossi Pochers. If £500 pounds seems a lot for a fully detailed 1/8th scale model, then just consider for a minute that the Tamiya 1/24th scale Aston Martin kit costs in excess of £40.00. Now that's expensive! We need a comparison like this to get the price of the new Pocher kit into some perspective.
However, having said that, I do appreciate that it's not everyone (including me) that has £500.00 of disposable income to lash out on a kit, whereas £40 to £50 is more attainable.
Mind you, if you want an Aventador, there is an Aoshima kit in 1/24th scale that should be more affordable.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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Noel Smith wrote:
Gorgeous looking car for a model subject. An earlier post mentioned that the previous Pochers with die cast bodies were not very good.
I sincerely hope that Hornby have upped the ante on this kit with regard to quality compared to the old Rivarossi Pochers. If £500 pounds seems a lot for a fully detailed 1/8th scale model, then just consider for a minute that the Tamiya 1/24th scale Aston Martin kit costs in excess of £40.00. Now that's expensive! We need a comparison like this to get the price of the new Pocher kit into some perspective.
However, having said that, I do appreciate that it's not everyone (including me) that has £500.00 of disposable income to lash out on a kit, whereas £40 to £50 is more attainable.
Mind you, if you want an Aventador, there is an Aoshima kit in 1/24th scale that should be more affordable.

To be fair to Pocher/Hornby their 1/8 Aventador is a totally different beast to the other models you mention, and even when compared against the £100 1/12 Airfix Bentley. It is a very highly detailed prepainted diecast model kit, rather than plastic and I fully appreciate that it would sell in fairly small numbers, but given the explained detail it would also help to justify the cost, at least in my eyes. I would love to have a good look at the kit to see what engineering has gone into it and how you build it up as well as see quality of the materials used, but like you I cannot justify spending £500 on a toy car that is £150 more expensive than me and a workmate spent on a full size Volvo 750 to drive around Europe in for a week.

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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OMG - that is quite a model on the Airfix website - I've built the Kyosho 1/8 McLaren (from the part works and cost over £600 so £500 - bargin - can you use the Airfix discount?) so it's going to be a monster
i'm going to have to start saving to add to my stash (mind you i'll prob have finished the stash before i can afford this one)
this is a really serious model kit - got to get one!

just had a look at the assembly instructions - and i'm in heaven lol

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There's an Aventador under construction over on BM: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234963415-pocher-18-aventador/

The modeller is having to do a surprising amount of scratch-building for such an expensive kit. :neutral:

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 Post subject: Re: Pocher is back!
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I've been following that aventador build and it looks good. Have you seen his previous pocher Rolls Royce? That has a lot of scratch building on it as well and is very well made

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For those of you who would like to build one these beasts, Jadlam have heavily discounted the Aventidor so ask the wife nicely for a Xmas prezzie (I've a blue Roadster on its way at £310 post free)

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