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Hello,
Feel this one had been answered, so did search on AZUR blue but did not find a response. So apologies if I have missed something.

A project underway is an Airfix Curtiss Hawk 81 - A2 in Western desert camouflage. Using the Pavla paint call outs they indicate using HU157 Azur Blue, this looks a little dark. Using the IPMS guide for FSstandard Hu89 Middle Blue looks closer to the right shade

Below is shot of the underside of an Italeri Spitfire using Hu89 which indicated flat light blue for the underside and next door the P-40 with Hu157.

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So the question is what Humbrol colour blue is the correct one for Azure Blue?

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Hu157 is the closest match but you need to add a bit of white.

In some photos of the time the azure blue looks that dark shade, but this due to the picture quality and colour.

I use xtracolor azure or hu157 with the white mixed in to make it that little bit lighter.

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Hu 157 is not a match with MAP Azure Blue, it could either be matched with pre-war BS Azure Blue, or MAP Light Mediterranean Blue. Hu 89 is closer, but compared to a chip of MAP Azure Blue it is still too dark and less intense.

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This is another one of those interpretation calls. I have seen colour photos with several different blues shown. The uppers between these differ very little.
Although Azure Blue is what was laid down, both Light and Dark Mediterranean Blues were used along with 'homebrews', particularly earlier on before approved colours made it into the area.

Go with what you think is right in your eyes.

I've used Hu157, Hu96, Hu79, Hu47 and more recently Hu230. There is quite possibly one or two with Hu65 and Revell 50 in the mix.

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Heinkel51:407702 wrote:
did search on AZUR blue but did not find a response. So apologies if I have missed something.

Search azur = 75 results
Search azure = 95 results

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hewman100:407726 wrote:
I have seen colour photos with several different blues shown.


Opened, can of worms, fully! :wink:

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Apologies Ratch I should have stated that I entered 'Azur Blue' and did not a result which answered my query.  :oops:

Thanks for the responses. I've tried adding some white to the 157, still looks a little dark. Anyone tried Modelmaster RAF Azure Blue?

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I'm pretty good at mixing paint, and I'd make a mix of 1/2 HU89 and 1/2 HU157 and I'll bet that would be right on the money.

Actually, my hobby is mixing paint.  The model painting is just something to do with the paint after I mix it! :D

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Thank you Dancho, I'll give that a bash  :D

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I always use Humbrol nr 65 for Afrika RAF planes.

I know it's listed for Luftwaffe.But for me it does the trick.


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I just got some Xtracrylix RAF Azure Blue XA1026, it seems like a very good colour match for the reference photos I have seen.
I have applied the first coat on Hurricane 1/72 and it looks OK on the kit although I did add 1 small drop of white.
Xtracrylix have been a lazy man's dream as they seem to have the correct named colours in the range for Luftwaffe/RAF etc WW2 paint schemes although I did find their RLM02 a tad light and their RLM71 a tad dark :)

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There is a very long and very comprehensive discussion about "Azure Blue" over on the Britmodeller forum.  Photos, direct hobby paint comparisons, paint chip comparisons -- you will learn all you need to know, and more ....

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51881&hl=azure+blue

Personally, while I see that the LifeColor "Azure Blue" is not an exact match, it does appear to me that it's the best match (in acrylics).  The White Ensign tin appears to be the best match in enamels.

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As one who took part in the thread on BM mentioned in the previous post, its not any easy question to resolve but from bits I've tried to mix nothing with Hu157 really comes close to the paint chip in the RAF Museum book. It invariably gives the mix a dirty shade that was not associated with Azur blue. Even the IPMS mix of 10parts Hu25 to 40 parts Hu34 to 1 part Hu33 is slightly too grey in my view, I found that leaving out the Hu 33 cleaned it up & looked pretty good. I use 1 part of Hu25 to 5 parts of Hu34, which is almost exactly the IPMS mix minus the Hu33 & an additional 2% Hu34. I tried various mixes with Hu 157 & 89 & none came close. The 157 is too grey & dirty, the 89 is too green to my mind. Even lots of Hu34 doesn't make them right.
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MAP Azure Blue is the very light shade that was first used in M.E. on Hurricanes delivered in mid to late 1941.  Mix Humbrol 1x 25 + 4 x34 is OK against the RAF colours book. On early Tomahawk deliveries in 'Sky' the RAF applied Lt. Mediterranean Blue or a mixed equivalent.  The same applied to early Hurricanes.  Mix Humbrol 8 x 104 + 2+ x 34 + 1 x 25.

Sometimes Dark Mediterranean Blue was used or a darker mix of the light.  This can be seen on Tomahawks that have a yellow surrend to the underwing roundel.

Later deliveries of Kittyhawk in the US applied desert colours had Du-Pont Azure underneath.  This is Humbrol 5 x 97 + 4 x 25.  

Spitfires delivered from UK already had the MAP shade but when operated in Tunisia as top cover some of these had Dark Mediterranean Blue or similar mix applied instead.


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Thanks for that info Mike, at least I'm not a mile a way then, I'll call the extra part of Hu34 "scale effect" :wink: I can't vouch for my absolute accuracy either, I don't use a graduated syringe but a pipette dropper & its my impressions that variations in paint viscosity can affect the relative drop size, I've learnt to thin so anything I'm mixing is of similar viscosity. I'll try some of yours & mine on some pieces of card & compare them to the paint chips in my RAF Museum book. Like any of these colour matches it can be a tin of wrigglies just waiting to bust open.
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Bumping this one to the top to post a link to my post on the thread on Britmodeller http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51881&view=findpost&p=1060586 on Azure Blue that BWP linked to. Long story short, 20pts of Hu34 (white) to 3pts of Hu14 (blue) to 1 pt of Hu68 (purple) is pretty damn close. :wink:
Edited to add, that I've noticed that Smer give a colour call for Azure Blue for the Kittyhawk MK III kit as being 1pt HU25 to 5 pts Hu34. Its not too bad but for the fussy (anal) among us it does lack a little of the violet tinge the MAP Azure blue has, though I think HU25 has a slight violet tinge anyway & this is a good quick & simple mix & still better than most commercially available.
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