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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015 23:16 pm 
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Now a question to tax you all....

What colour were RAF vehicles before 1937? (1937 was the date when the RAF specified Blue-Grey for vehicles)

...They weren't Blue-Grey (BS381C-633 to be exact)- that colour wasn't even in the BS standards until 1933.

...During WW1, and probably a bit after, they were 'Service Brown' or indeed whatever the army colour was- obviously inherited from the RFC.

...So did they follow the army in going to Dk Brunswick Green? There are Photos of RAF vehicles in a dark colour- not black, as the number plate is clearly distinguishable.

I know that RAF armoured cars in the Middle-East followed the army (except for the exotic schemes applied by 11th Hussars), so I assume MT would follow suit. And indeed there are photos of Fordson armed tenders in a pale shade, with white roofs. Although there are also photos of Alvis-Straussler AC2s in a darker shade, I'm guessing a light earth, or khaki. And indeed phots of 211sqn Fordson Sussex's (E917T) in a dark shade.

So there you are...

Anyone have any ideas? (He said, hopefully looking in Mike Starmers direction)

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov 2015 09:23 am 
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'Service brown' was the general term used for one of several variable shades of brown/khaki that were used during and after WW1. At some point greens of some sort came into use too, Deep Brunswick Green was one colour found on a vehicle at Bovington and probably just one of several other colours tried out in the 1930s. BS.381:C was first issued in 1930 with amendments periodically issued until the document required total update. RAF Blue Grey No.33 was introduced into BS.381 in November 1933 which would indicate RAF use from then on even if only gradually. Till then RAF vehicles would have been coloured as used by the army or variations thereof as approved by the Air Ministry. In Middle East the same colours applied although there is some evidence that at least some cars were in a 'sand' shade, possibly one of the creams or buffs in the BS.381 range since this range was adopted by the Government as the standard to utilise on government property. The RAF often painted roundels that totally covered the turret top of the R-R cars. The numbers in BS.381 changed in 1948 when the document was completely reorganised. This edition replaced the 1944 war emergency issue of limited colour range. Many new colours were incorporated, some withdrawn and the three digit system came into use at the same time. A few colours were replaced by new ones but used the old name, the 'Stones' range is one. These, numbered 61, 62 & 63 were all replaced by new colours as 361, 362 & 363 using the same names, RAF Blue Grey was renumbered 633.


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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov 2015 09:43 am 
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OK, thanks Mike,

If I read that right, then I'm looking at 'service-brown(-ish) from WW1 until the 30's, with possibly Deep Brunswick Green until 1933, when new vehicles would have been supplied in RAF Blue-Grey, with older vehicles being repainted when due.

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Yes correct, but the Brunswick Green was on a tank or armoured car at Bovington which is army so play safe with the khaki-green colour till 1936 or so.


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Thanks Mike

Gloss finish?

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Semi-gloss for service colour, The Deep Bronze Green No.24 for 1935 onwards was gloss.


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Excellent- Thanks Mike

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