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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013 23:39 pm 
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Hi, I intend setting up a working oo display featuring tanks from WWII, all nations. My intent is to have them carried on fairly genuine rolling stock flat beds. There is 1 wagon model I've seen, Hornby I think, but it's hardly appropriate as it has about a 14 ton weight limit and appears to be a 'recent' model. Another appears to be German but there's no indication of date. Can anyone direct me to somewhere?


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013 03:18 am 
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Hornby Bogie Bolster Wagon may be an option.

One of these photos show them transporting tanks during ww1 and presumably they would have been used in ww2 http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wago ... -macaw.htm

This is the one that you would want, although out of stock, here: http://www.modelr.co.uk/products/hornby ... ter_wagon/ but could be found on ebay I would have thought.
It would need modifying if you want them to be correct as shown in the first photo and accompanying paragraph on the railway album link but I think that's the best you could hope for.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013 03:38 am 
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In Britian tanks were transported on specially built wagons called 'war flats'. They were like the well wagon but slightly longer with an extra pair of wheels at each end. The tanks had to sit in a well so as to clear the loading guage height. Some of the smaller tanks were carried on simple long flatbeds which were higher. One of the model railway magazines did a small feature about them many years ago.


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Feb 2013 18:05 pm 
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Thanks all. I've identified a couple of german ones, one post 1st world war which could have still been in service and one which was from the late 20's and 30's. Also got some British ones which vary in weight carrying capability. Many of the ads/info dont list the max weight and bearing in mind the weight of the tanks carried I want to be a bit more realistic than a 40 ton tank on a 15 ton flat car etc. Yes I know it'd fit and no-one would be the wiser but I would.

Unfortunatley for the number I want and the ad prices I'll need a lot of searched and even more luck.

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What about converting the Dapol well wagon? its about £6. The one sometimes used to transport tanks was about 1/3rd longer with an extra pair of wheels at each end. The sides had more robust iron chassis members.
The flats [could be converted Dapol wagons] usually had a set of paired bogeys at each end. Each set was removable so the end could be lowered and a tank driven on or off, or one flat used as a ramp to others.
The Dapol wagons come with wheels suitable for running.


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Feb 2013 22:16 pm 
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Tankette - the magazine of the Minature Armoured Fighting Vehicle Association (MAFVA) carried a series of detailed articles on rail transport of (British) tanks from World War 1 onwards, spread over three issues - 46/4, 46/5 and 46/6. They include photos and 1:76 scale plans of the various types of wagons used, their liveries and markings, references and details of available kits from Gramodels and Matador models (in resin) and Genesis Kits (in white metal). You should be able to purchase copies of the magazines from MAFVA though you may have to join to be able to do so. Details are available on their website - http://www.mafva.net/ .

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The former Airfix LOWMAC well wagon mentioned above is now a Dapol product and the version modelled is a LOWMAC E - rated at 25 tons - so is useful only for the lightest tanks - like WW2 Honeys or later Scorpions, or Armoured Cars and APCs.

Warflats (all one word) were designed to carry MBTs up to 50 tons and have had a long service life. Genesis Kits do one in Pewter and Bachmann are to produce one for their model railway range.


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Bachmann are planning to release a model of the warflat, with and without a tank. Only thing to be aware of is that being OO, it will be 1/76 scale, so might have to use a 1/76 scale tank to look right.

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You haven't mentioned what scale you want but Trumpter makes a whole series of German rolling stock . You could build a complete armed train or one from the later war with full armoured engine and flak cars plus various types of tank carrying flat cars and ones with tank turrets. Not to mention box cars ,etc. ...
You should also pick a time for your project,too. I recall from something I researched that the Poles (I think or Chechs) made self propelled tank or tankette ccarries. If they made them then others probably did,too. Upon thinking about this ,you should consider doing this in 1/35 scale as it's the only scale where you can get all the tank models. I'd also recommend a plan B where you simply use the available tank transport cars. This would make this a much more doable project,too. The downside to this is cost and space for display. These are large kits huge doesn't even begin to describe it. Keep us posted on this as it is very interesting.

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Im not much of an expert on British rolling stock, but since I love WWI tanks, I came across a flat wagon for tank transport (1917 Pattern) in 1/76 scale from Matador models. It was a really good model that i can strongly recommend. Unfortunately that particular model is out of stock right now, but the WWII pattern tank carrier is still available i believe.

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Absolutely.....What a stunning little scene! :thumb:

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jan 2014 04:39 am 
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Warflat = Flat Wagon for transporting tanks
Warwell = Well Wagon (dip in centre for taller loads) - were used for tanks too
Lowmac/Loriot = tended to be used for lighter armoured vehicles such as armoured cars, but usually no more than a truck or suchlike


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