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PostPosted: Tue 06 Dec 2016 21:45 pm 
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Has anyone else here noticed the great vinyl revival? What's that all about then, it's not just the die hard indie record shops thriving today or HMV stocking hundreds of titles from classics of yesteryear to new releases of today, even supermarkets have a selection?? I'm not complaining, I've always appreciated the virtue of the sound of proper records over digital formats and still have my turntable set up ready to go. are there any others here who still prefer the 'hands on' approach to their listening needs?

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Dec 2016 22:30 pm 
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Yep, Vinyl is back. Last year a record shop set up in town selling only Vinyl. Mostly old records but a load of new stuff and re-issues. I´ve still got my vinly collection ..350 plus LP´s and 100 or so Singles.
The Sound from Vinyl is, IMHO, way better than Digital, although I´ve also got a huge digital collection, most of the Vinyl I´ve rebought on CD/MP3 versions..playing records when driving didn´t work :lol:
I´ve got an old Nordmende record Player..getting a spare Stylus proved a Problem..and Target is to get hold of an Original 60´s Dansette Bermuda that works and won´t cost an arm and a leg.
One Thing that makes me smile with the return of vinyl..the cutting of prices.
This lot for example*
https://www.amazon.com/Northern-Soul-Fi ... rn+soul+lp
okay, they might not be the original pressings, and they are still a bit pricey but still nothing compared to what I´d have to pay to get the originals (£35,260) which means I don´t have to re-mortgage the house to have them.. :)

The LP (with all the same tracks) is cheaper
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail ... um/6956873

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I'm awaiting the return of VHS...

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dancho wrote:
I'm awaiting the return of VHS...

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My son has worked for HMV for twenty years or so and his store never stopped selling vinyl. One reason why vinyl didn't disappear was down to DJ mixing.

I was watching a programme about the resurgence of vinyl the other day and a lot of youngsters are buying vinyl albums but not playing them. They collect them but play the MP3 versions instead. Wish I had been able to do the same when I bought vinyl!

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Paul H wrote:
The Sound from Vinyl is, IMHO, way better than Digital
Being averse to snap, crackle and pop, not to mention wow and flutter, I can only say that you're entitled to your opinion, but I beg to differ. :)

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I agree with Brews, my car still has a cassette deck, (well its 16 years old). I bought a new Hi Fi system last year, and it has a turntable, twin cassette, FM radio, (no AM), and CD Player, so have it in my Hobby Room, (the J.C. room).
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Whether its for hipsters to collect or audiophiles to listen to, its wonderful that vinyl is selling!
I've been releasing my own solo music digitally for almost 10 years now; the last album, i got some vinyl cut - and its sold more copies than anything previously!

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Brews wrote:
Paul H wrote:
The Sound from Vinyl is, IMHO, way better than Digital
Being averse to snap, crackle and pop, not to mention wow and flutter, I can only say that you're entitled to your opinion, but I beg to differ. :)
The thing is, to get the best from your record collection you have to care for it, if you keep them clean and tidy, there is no 'snap crackle and pop' if you're getting 'wow and flutter' you need a better quality turntable not cheap low grade nonsense! Thing is, the record stores are selling these LoFi turntables which sound awful!! You'd think that would put off budding new record collectors? But no, according to the news today, vinyl records outsold downloads last month, first time ever!! I invested in HiFi in the 90's and bought some 'high end' equipment including a turntable, and to me, anything produced before the digital era (1985 onwards maybe?) sounds better on proper records, while new releases on vinyl not so good, they are produced mixed mastered? for the in ear headphone ipod generation with extended bass and compressed dynamics??

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Yes, apparently vinyl outsold downloads last month!! :D

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Brews wrote:
Being averse to snap, crackle and pop, not to mention wow and flutter, I can only say that you're entitled to your opinion, but I beg to differ. :)

Daves´s right.
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The thing is, to get the best from your record collection you have to care for it, if you keep them clean and tidy, there is no 'snap crackle and pop' if you're getting 'wow and flutter' you need a better quality turntable not cheap low grade nonsense! Thing is, the record stores are selling these LoFi turntables which sound awful!! You'd think that would put off budding new record collectors? But no, according to the news today, vinyl records outsold downloads last month, first time ever!! I invested in HiFi in the 90's and bought some 'high end' equipment including a turntable, and to me, anything produced before the digital era (1985 onwards maybe?) sounds better on proper records, while new releases on vinyl not so good, they are produced mixed mastered? for the in ear headphone ipod generation with extended bass and compressed dynamics??

The MP3 /CD Versions are digitally compressed..a lot of the Sound is taken out (the digitalisation takes snapshots of the sounds) otherwise it wouldn´t fit the Format..facto, bad Sound. A decent Player won´t add the missing parts of the sounds back in, a decent record Player doesn´t have to.
The biggest Problem with the new LP´s from new bands is if they try to fit too much onto a side..then the Quality really suffers.
Advantage of digital..higher ranges and less distortion (when a lot of Songs are added), disadvantage, loss of Sound and some bass distortion. Then take into account what you listen to the digital sounds on? An Analogue System. Vinyl, is analogue so the reproduced sounds are closer in wavelength and match more closely the Speakers wavelength,.
Anyone tried DVD Music discs (SACD-Super Audio Compact Disc)? Apparently they are a cross between analogue and digital..with the Advantages of both formats .

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I have! HDCD, I couldn't tell the difference the higher sampling rate in that format?

When CD was introduced, part of it's marketing ploy was that apart from being 'perfect digital sound' was that it could fit more tracks on a disc, so when you replaced your LPs you get 'bonus tracks' otherwise why would you? as for modern vinyl pressings they get round this by creating 'double albums' with yes you guessed it! more 'bonus tracks' than can be found on the CD!! there's the 180g vinyl weight too over the standard 100g of yesteryear, they could fit more tracks on a single LP, remember Ronco and Ktel compilations? or latterly the 'Now That's What I Call Music' format where they'd fit twenty tracks on one album, this was done by exceeding the ideal 60 groove per inch cut to over a hundred making the groove more shallow and lessening the sound quality!!

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I dare not set up my record deck while the children are young and, well, curious. I've already had to repair the loudspeakers after they had been "investigated " by the boys...

On the plus side, a new shop selling only vinyl opened up in Cambridge recently. I have half a thought it used to be a toy soldier shop in the recent past.

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My new turntable is on it's way from Amazon. :D

A couple of years ago I bought one of those cheap all in one turntable/cassette/CD players with the ability to convert to MP3 but frankly the quality was awful and I quickly stopped playing my LPs on it to avoid damaging them. I wasn't happy with the conversion to MP3 either.

There's a new second-hand shop next to where I work which is a sort of hipster paradise with refurbished typewriters, 70s clothing and vinyl records.

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Hey Jon, you're right about those cheapo turntables, it suprises me that anyone who buys them and plays their shiny new records isn't put off by the poor quality sound? Seems not if sales figures are anything to go by? where as the investment of a couple of hundred pounds will bring out the best records have to offer, doesn't hurt that new releases often come with an mp3 download code too??
That place next to where you work sounds like somewhere worth a visit!! Now I'm past my half century nostalgia is increasingly important to me, so this retro culture really appeals!! Except the flared jeans tank tops and kipper ties of course!! Ha!

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I never quite gave up on records and still have my collection and a Technics Quartz Direct Drive turntable. But... some years ago I disconnected it from my hi-fi/home theater amp and connected it to my PC instead. Now I use Adobe Soundbooth to remove (a lot of) the snap, crackle and hiss and create both uncompressed (archive) and compressed file versions (for playing). I used to burn cd's, but now I just make MP3's.

As for just playing them, I doubt the durability challenges and the perpetual battle with dust have been resolved...

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Way back twenty-two years ago I bought myself a second-hand high end Rega Planar 3 Record Player. What a great investment. No LP revival in my house: I never stopped using the format! I have one or two albums in various formats: Love Over Gold by Dire Straits is in my CD collection and LP collection. There simply is no comparison. So much more going on in the LP that I can't hear on the CD. As others have said for a quality source to flourish you need to look after it, and you need quality equipment.

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Apologies for not replying earlier but I'm still waiting for my new deck to arrive. :(

After a week of Amazon telling me it was on it's way I finally got to enquire where it was and the helpful woman on the phone apologised as it turned out it hadn't actually been sent. :roll:
Now I've had two days of the courier turning up when there's no one at home and finally tomorrow I get to collect it myself from their depot which is about 25km away.

MacTeagle, I've also got Love Over Gold on both LP and CD and it was already a favourite to be first disc on the new deck.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec 2016 17:07 pm 
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MacTeagle wrote:
for a quality source to flourish you need to look after it, and you need quality equipment.
Very true, you have to put in some effort to get the best from proper records, but it's certainly worth it!! Not sure the budget record players for sale in the likes of HMV are doing justice to the format??

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