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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jan 2010 15:16 pm 
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Hi
im building this but whats the best colour green for it  30, 113 ???
olive drab??

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The Humbrol website stipulates 155 for the DUKW, which was another US vehicle in presumably the same scheme, so I'd use that.

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probably 937th field artillery battalion
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Olive Drab would be my first instinct.....Even if the particular vehicle in question turns out to have had one of those odd Korean camo schemes, you can still be fairly confident that it will be on an Olive Drab base.  :idea:

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PS - I'll ask Cpl.Kelly as he's getting seriously into his 15mm Korean War stuff at the moment.  :idea:

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013 22:37 pm 
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Here's my attempt. All hand painted. Straight from the box. The basic colour was Humbrol 155 with about 25% black.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2013 11:01 am 
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Strange I cannot remember ever seeing this kit from Matchbox?


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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2013 11:25 am 
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Erik, your M40 looks superb. :clap:

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Mar 2013 00:32 am 
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Really nice build. A shame they never supplied any crew figures with it. I built one of these, realised I didn't need it for wargames and used the gun to make an SU-100 from the Matchbox T-34.

One day I'd like to build again all the Matchbox armour I built 30 years ago.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Mar 2013 00:59 am 
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Very smart. I built a couple of these for wargaming. Before it was pointed out to me that they didn't see service in WW2 :oops:

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Very nice looking M-40.
As far as WW2 is concerned, it seems that some took part to the bombardment of Köln (Cologne) in May 1945...
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Very nice build and dark wash. 8-)

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Apr 2013 13:05 pm 
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Very nice looking M-40.
As far as WW2 is concerned, it seems that some took part to the bombardment of Köln (Cologne) in May 1945...
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Yes, but with a slightly different rear end if my memory is correct. The rear mudguards on the initial production vehicles were curved. The kit mudguards are correct for Korea.

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Thank you for the info David; I'll apply the change to portray a WW2 gun whenever I dig out the kit from my stash...;)
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By coincidence I have just this week finalised a mix for the U.S.army WW2 Olive Drabs. These mixes were made against contemporary swatches from America.
Olive Drab # 9 used from 1940 -1943: 4 x Revell 46 +3 x Revell 310 + 1 x Revell 361. This needs matt varnish over it.
Olive Drab #319 as implimented from 1943: 4 x Revell 46 + 6 x Humbrol 154 + 2 x Revell 361. This colour was the predominent version in Korea as only new build vehicles from early 1944 may have had this shade.

Try as I might for several weeks I was unable to use Humbrol 155 or any other of their paints as all attempts resulted in a flat whitened appearance which lacked the depth of colour on the standards. Even allowing for some scale effect they simply were not right. Humbrol company take note please if you read these forums.


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jun 2013 13:21 pm 
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Just seen this - very interesting. So would these olive drabs have been applicable to all theatres? What would a weathered tone look like, should it be greyer, browner, or what, would you say?

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They were used, at the very end of WW2, by the Americans, against bunkers. They were referred to as 'Door Knockers'. They were also used to bombard Cologne. The main use was in the Korean War. They couldn't carry much ammunition [16 rounds, if memory serves], so a de-gunned M40 would be used to carry more rounds.


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The Olive Drab #9 was used used everywhere, the US Army standardised on a single basic colour with the intention that other suitable additional colour or colours as required in theatre could be applied over it. Due to the numerous manufactures of Olive Drab each company's colour tended to weather slightly differently. The reason is this. The official standard swatch was formulated using a specific ratio of yellow, black and red pigments and although each manufacturer used those basic ratios the choice of pigments varied as there are several yellows, blacks and reds to choose from. Each pigment powder may look exactly the same but chemically they are not and their reaction with the other pigments makes a subtle difference to the end resultant colour. Small variations in chroma value were acceptable since 1,000,000s of gallons of paint were needed and in war one cannot be too fussy. But the weather and fade qualities varied widely. Since most military vehicles don't last long this fade is not very noticable but aeroplanes which which are exposed to stronger UV light do show noticable fade and wide variation too, from greyish, through brown or even to some chalking. Look at some B-17 Fortress fins and compare the tone of them to that on the fuselage. You will see that often the fin appears darker. This is not a different colour as has been asserted in some forums but simply a different Dark Olive Drab #41 used by the sub-contractor that made the fins. The variation is no big deal. Doped Olive Drab surfaces faded more due to the different chemical composition of the dope, you can see this too. Douglas C-47 rudders are a classic example. Be aware that US built vehicles for the Allies were finished in Olive Drab and used in that colour until either a full repaint was required in theatre such as Middle East or the finish became damaged and badly faded. In many cases the British simply added their own disruptive colour over the O/D basic as in the 'Mickey Mouse' type patterning. Most allied operated Shermans in NWE remained in the US colour.


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Apr 2014 19:57 pm 
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I am reading Anthony Beevor's D-Day the battle for Normandy....

I would refer you to Page 376 which describes, among other interesting events, the following:- "The 155mm 'Long Toms' fired..... the most intense bombardment...The 4Div[American] Recon Sqd entered Villedieu. {Sorry this knickname was for the ordnance and did not refer to the field/towed/mechanised carraige arrangement}.

Bear in mind the obvious - research can only be as good as the accuracy of official records combat reports and memories of interviewees etc- It is the best account I have come across to date. Highly recomended.{and being miss read by me, and now having just finished reading during many tiring commutes to Manchester - my appologies to all concerned}

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Those weren't the same Long Toms though IIRC. The M40 was the successor to something else (M12 maybe?) that was similar. I would accept M40s as portraying M12s in a game any time as they are near enough and the model is nice.

Edit: it was the M12 and they could only carry 10 rounds!

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