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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jun 2015 23:34 pm 
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Any ideas anyone on the Humbrol or Revell paint match for grey used on RN Vehicles in WW2?


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PostPosted: Tue 16 Jun 2015 19:51 pm 
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Pre-war and during the early phase BS.381 No.7 Dark Blue was the colour, later used from 1946 for a while. I have found very little accurate information regarding wartime colours despite inquiries on my behalf by a serving Naval officer several years ago. However several photographs that I have of known RN. vehicles all comply with army schemes. It therefore seems reasonable to presume that is the case unless someone can find out otherwise. I cannot see why RN vehicles should be any differently coloured to army vehicles since they share the same environment as did RAF vehicles for which we have relevant AMOs. Dark Blue No.7 has to be a mix using Humbrol paints. I found 4 x H15 + 1 x H85 to be almost indistinguishable against the 1930 swatch I used. The pre-war colour was gloss so if you use this apply satin varnish overall to your model.


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jun 2015 13:26 pm 
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Thanks Mike, I appreciate that the RN used Army camo especially overseas but what about the light grey that is evident on RN vehicles in the UK. Did that come before or after the dark blue?


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I've seen photos of RN vehicles in light grey too...I have to say it seems an odd colour, given the then fashionable theories concerning camouflage colours....

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I don't know were light grey comes in at all. I recall seeing some LVTs in a Light Grey in the early 1960s though. I dug out some documents I have from the TNA and a subscription magazine. Dark Blue No.7 was used again in 1946 but the colour was withdrawn from the BS.381 colour range by 1964. In 1948 Admiralty vehicles are stated to be semi-gloss Dark Blue No.7 from BS.3981C 1948 edition. In the 1955 TNA document which lists all service vehicle colours, (for) 'Paint, Finishing, Vehicles, High Gloss.' Under 'Navy', Royal Blue BSC. No.106, stores order number 4972A and Alert Orange BSC. F2 (no other number or name, stores order 4976).

In a later list circa 1956, BSC. Deep Bronze Green No.224 stores 4973 together with Army and RAF use. The inference from the above is that DBG was selected for all services use as of 1956 or so to standardise vehicle painting and reduce stores inventories. One point though may be important. 106 Royal Blue is slightly darker than Dark Blue 7 and might have been adopted briefly when Dark Blue was withdrawn from the standard sometime in the late 1940s or early '50s. Royal Blue was in the original 1930 and subsequent editions.


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Could grey ones have been seconded from civilian service :shrug:

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If you mean requisitioned by 'seconded' then why have them a different colour? The normal procedure with service requisitions is that they were repainted in the standard basic colour of the period. The War Office ones certainly were as I have an ACI to that effect. There are numerous photographs of BEF vehicles that prove it. Civilian contractors vehicles under contract which needed to enter military establishments retained their usual colour. Civilian type vehicles owned by service personel even if keep on the base were specifically banned from applying camouflage painting, again by ACI.


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The reason why I ask is that I have some Oxford Diecasts in civvy grey. Daveh says he's seen photos of grey vehicles on RN bases. So I was just asking about the possibility :shrug:

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One more spoon in the mix....

Just remembered where I saw those photos, can't reproduce them here, in deference to the site rules on photos.

The Observer's Army Vehicles Directory to 1940 (1974 edition)
Pg196- Fordson E88W 25cwt, General Service in light grey (including tilt) with white bumper and wheel arch edges and black wheels and mudguards, with 'RN' on the body.

The Observer's Fighting Vehicles Directory WW2 (1972 edition)
Pg142- Hillman 10HP in all over light grey, with white bumper and wheel arch edging and numbered 7865RN, with 'RN' in the corner of the windscreen. It has one headlamp that appears to have a blanking disc fitted.

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If you type in google search royal navy vehicle pictures it bring up loads of different vehicles some in the gloss dark blue and a couple in light grey with white bumpers there is also a tilly with camo with royal navy lettering on it
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jul 2015 22:58 pm 
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Regarding RN vehicle colours in WW2 its fair to say that those overseas certainly followed the Army camo for the respective theatre, so an RN truck in Tobruk or Alexandria would the same as all the rest, those in Malta would have the stone wall camo, and those that went to Normandy were in typical D-Day period colours.

However that doesn't mean that light grey wasn't used at Home, and if I had to guess I would say it may have been a pre-war colour that hung around for a while and the photo references above are for vehicle types dating from pre-war.

BTW - regarding the Jeep seen in the link, it looks to be typical olive drab and only modified with white edging and registration.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=royal ... YIg3fYM%3A


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I suspect that will be the case, Larry- And I think, as with the other two services, the RN would've only repainted as necessary.

This is an area that would benefit from some research.

What I would like to know is when did Dark Blue come in as a vehicle colour, I rather think that that would have been a post-war colour.

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As I wrote previously, BS.381C No.7 Dark Blue was a pre-war colour but as yet I haven't found out when that was adopted. It seems to have been replaced by War Office colours fairly early in the war. It was re-introduced for a brief period in 1946.


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I've got to say- light grey seems a highly impractical colour for vehicles in war, might be good for disguising warships on the horizon, but it stands out a mile, both horizontally and vertically against the average street or base! But this is the RN we're talking about....

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I've got to say- light grey seems a highly impractical colour for vehicles in war, might be good for disguising warships on the horizon, but it stands out a mile, both horizontally and vertically against the average street or base! But this is the RN we're talking about....

I say old chap don't mock the senior service best navy in the world or should I say was :lol:
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...I was referring to my personal knowledge of the RN's willingness to 'plough their own furrow'- regardless. It comes to something when a sub-lieutenant, tells me (16yrs experience) that B757 aircraft aren't single-point, pressure-refuelled.

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If I knew how to attach my own photo I show one of a vehicle in the colour I talking about?


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daveh wrote:
I've got to say- light grey seems a highly impractical colour for vehicles in war, might be good for disguising warships on the horizon, but it stands out a mile, both horizontally and vertically against the average street or base! But this is the RN we're talking about....

If its parked on gravel or concrete, then you've got a relatively low contrast, although shadows are always an issue. Maybe they just didn't think anyone would bother to strafe a van that could be replaced in a day against other higher value targets!

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I've got to say- light grey seems a highly impractical colour for vehicles in war, might be good for disguising warships on the horizon, but it stands out a mile, both horizontally and vertically against the average street or base! But this is the RN we're talking about....


I really shouldn't get started on this, in case some officious little erk reminds me of the extent to which I'm still bound by the OSA, but I have to say (a) during my professional contacts with the Senior Service there remained a deep-seated and emotively held opinion that 'battleship grey' was the only camouflage colour worth bothering with, blending in as it does (apparently) with the sea-haze at dawn, the only time a self-respecting enemy chooses to attack, and (b) in visits to dockyards and naval bases from the 1960s onwards I'm sure I saw a variety of administrative and utility vehicles in grey livery alongside those in RN blue, but given the restrictions on photography at the time I've no personal snapshots to confirm that (in fact, I'm pretty sure that I can remember one overseas post where the Naval Attache had a 'ship grey' landrover and the Military Attache had a bronze green one, but the consequences of producing a camera in that environment would have been even more dire so, regretably, I didn't bother).

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....I rest my case....

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