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PostPosted: Wed 10 May 2006 17:33 pm 
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This aircraft crash-landed in Holland and was later flown in German insignia.


When it was flown in german insignia, did it have a tapaulin over the nose section?
In one of the books in the school library, theres a pic of the very smae sort of thing you were talking about, repainted, and consealed with this tapaulin piece? correct :?:

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I have seen that picture (but do you think I can find it now :evil: ), so I can't say whether it was of MG-F or not :?

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Here's the link to that picture :)
http://uk.geocities.com/vanessa.cross@b ... /n3705.gif

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ah cool!

Wonder what lardee dar gunner graham thought when that wentr over! ( providing it was in an episode of "it aint half hot mum" ! )

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Scabby germans... ...our planes were just to good...

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is it bigger than a lancaster?
just wondering

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all i want 2 no was the sterling bigger than a lancaster

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airfixkid wrote:
all i want 2 no was the sterling bigger than a lancaster


Yes, and no.

Short Stirling: span 99ft, length 87ft, height 22ft, weight 43,200lb-70,000lb.

Avro Lancaster: span 102ft, length 69ft, height 20ft, weight 35,240lb-60,000lb.

Whilst the Stirling was longer and heavier, it had a smaller wingspan (apparently to fit into the standard RAF hanger at the time it was built). This led to problems due to the small wing area.

All this info taken from RCAF.com - remember, Google is your friend!

And sorry for all the measurements being in pounds, shillings and pence - they make more sense than centipedes.


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i think ill look at me airfix catalog

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i think ill look at me airfix catalog
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Why did you ask the question when you knew where to look anyway? Surley you could have just compared the two?....

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Why did you ask the question when you knew where to look anyway? Surley you could have just compared the two?....


And when I answered the question anyway...?


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Hi Airfix kid,

As no one else has answered your question here goes - the Lancaster was had wider wingspan than the Stirling but was shorter in body length. The Stirling design specification said that wingspan had to be less than 100 feet to fit in a standard (at the time) RAF hangar.

Wingspan: Stirling 99ft 1", Lancaster 102ft
Length: Stirling 87ft 3", Lancaster 69ft 6"

Engines: Stirling 4x 1560 h.p. Bristol Hercules
Lancaster 4x 1460 h.p. Rolls Royce Merlins

First flew: Stirling May 1939, Lancaster Jan 1941

Max. Bomb Load: Stirling 14000lb, Lancaster 22000lb.

So basically the Stirling was an earlier design and could carry far fewer bombs and only small ones at that due to the design of its bomb bay.

By the way - this info. is from Airfix.com - Resouces - Instruction sheets for the Airfix Stirling and Lancaster B.1 (G for George) kits.

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Hi Airfix kid,

As no one else has answered your question ...


What, other than me at the top of the previous page?

I even made the same comment about the wingspan being as it was to fit the standard hangar, and issued a similar comment about being able to find the information on the internet if you could be bothered to look...


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You don't seem to be able to any more - there used to be a 'Delete' button next to the 'Edit' one, but it's gone now.

I'd just leave it, or edit the second one to take out the text.

Edit: No, hang on - it is there, but only if your post is the last one in the thread. If someone has posted afterwards, then you can't do it.


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But a Moderator can :twisted:
so I've tidied up a bit 8-)

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What's up with the F decal on the end of the insignia thingy?


Absolutely nothing :wink: it is 'painted' over a grey V :o

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How far off-topic does a discussion have to go before it comes all the way around and meets itself?

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Was there not an issue with the size of the hangers? The plane had to be designed so that it could fit in the hanger, therefore limiting the wingspan.


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That seems to be a popular reason behind the Stirlings' "short" wingspan, although not quite correct, here's a quote from Wiki which dovetails with my Stirling refs ;

"The S.29 used the Sunderland's 114 ft (35 m) wing and it had to be reduced to less than 100 ft (30 m), the same limit as that imposed on the P.13/36 designs (Handley Page Halifax and Avro Manchester). In order to get the needed lift from a shorter span and excess weight, the redesigned wing was thickened and reshaped. It is often said that the wingspan was limited to 100 ft so the aircraft would fit into existing hangars but the maximum hangar opening was 112 ft (34 m) and the specification required outdoor servicing. "The wing span was limited by the Air Ministry to 100 ft" The limitation was actually to force the designer to keep overall weight down."

Hope this helps :thumb:

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