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PostPosted: Fri 02 Dec 2011 10:15 am 
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Hi,

I'm gathering information to start a dio build of a WW2 RAF Bomber Station. However I know nothing about this subject in detail especially the markings.

What would make a good choice of Bomber Group, Airfeild and Squadron which `may` include some or all of the following from my wish list;

Pathfinder Squadron 43-44. Would there be an interesting Squadron that would have flown Halifaxes, Lancasters and Mosquitos? If so what would be their Markings? Where there such things as mixed squadrons? (I have a pinting by Robert Taylor that shows S-Sugar for example. The field also shows a Halifax, Mossie and Spitfire although not necessarily historically accurate).

For the above Squadron what Group would they belong to and therfore what Vehicle markings should I use?

What would be a good airfield to model for the above? What markings (numbers, airfield square codes etc) should I use?

Once I know the above I can source the correct markings for aircraft, buildings, vehicles etc.

To make to dio more interesting both as a project and as a model maker I'm looking at a field that may have accomodated a mixed type of aircraft - perhaps with a little poetic licence (I could maybe squeeze the occasional distressed aircraft in there too :-) ).

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From my research into Northamptonshire airfields, I think you're looking for the impossible Ted  :(
Although Northamptonshire did not host RAF full bomber stations, it hosted many Operational Training Units and four USAAF bomber stations. All seem to have been set up in the same manner: One bomber type (maybe in several marks - probably to rationalise maintanance procedures), another type of aircraft as a target tug (for gunnery practice) and a light aircraft as a general hack. The number of squadrons based at the airfield might vary from 2 to 4, so you wouldn't see a whole Bomb Group at one station  :(
Fighter airfields were much more diverse  :P  For example, Kings Cliffe hosted both RAF and USAAF squadrons at the same time  8-)

Perhaps you should choose an airfield of interest to you (possibly local) and do your research on that  :idea:

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Thanks for the reply.
I think I need to have a read through some books on the subject.
I guess the occasional `interloper` would drop in on an airfield at some point so I may be able to get a Halifax in somewhere on a Lancaster base :-).

BTW I wasn't hoping to get a whole Bomber Group into the airfield, just wondering what bomber groups there were rearly for my transfers :-)


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DogTailRed2:391161 wrote:
I think I need to have a read through some books on the subject.

Good thinking  8-)

DogTailRed2:391161 wrote:
I guess the occasional `interloper` would drop in on an airfield at some point so I may be able to get a Halifax in somewhere on a Lancaster base :-).

Very true, odd 'planes visit, you might get an emergency landing at a convenient airfield  :wink:

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BTW I wasn't hoping to get a whole Bomber Group into the airfield, just wondering what bomber groups there were rearly for my transfers :-)

In that case you're looking for individual squadrons and their squadron codes  :wink:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/historicsquadrons.cfm

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Many thanks for your help.
I'm at the `question asking` phase of my project.
Hopefully this will progress to a more interesting `image posting` at some point :-)


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Bomber Command chain of command and orders of battle

Scroll down for links to orders of battle for selected dates. These give listings by group, station, squadron and aircraft types operated.

If you need more help with colours, codes and markings for chosen squadrons, post up.

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Hi Ted,
only thing i can add, depending where you are in the country,
is suggest you give this search a go in 'Google':-

FIDO equipped airfields

The airfields that had this fitted could / would have had a large variety of aircraft landing.

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One just up the road from me, RAF Foulsham. Being a base of 100 (Radio Countermeasures) Group it had a mixture of different types stationed there. Notable are the Halifaxes of 462 Sqn (RAAF) and 192 Sqn.
192 Sqn also operated Mosquitoes (NFII, BIV, PRXVI) and Wellingtons (IC, III, X) Foulsham also boasted four ELINT P-38 Lightnings of 7 Photographic Group 8th AF. At least two of these were 'Droop Snoot' two-seaters.

It was also one of the few RAF airfields fitted with FIDO so 'drop ins' from around the country on inclement winter nights happened.

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How about a Farnborough type establishment where no one particular type was based, or an ATA ferry pool base?

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TED,
I would base it on something local to yourself, once started and people get to know about what you are doing then people talk and next thing you know they are offering suggestions and advice with references to what they know ABOUT 'YOUR' AIRFIELD ??

Aircraft were always being diverted for numerous reasons so a difference aircraft say on a Lancaster based airfield would not be out of place.

Because airfields are such VERY LARGE places dont get over ambious thinking you could have large areas to have aircraft dispersed, room is a premium and you wont have much of it unles you are outdoors ??

just a few thoughts ....
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The nearest airport to me would be Blackbush. I don't know much about it except that it wasn't a Bomber field although Friday the 13th landed there once.

So i'm looking further afield.


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RAF Hartford Bridge/Blackbushe was a key airfield used by 2nd Tactical Air Force from 1943 onwards.

It was a FIDO equipped airfield, and being just up the road from Farnborough must've had one or two interesting visitors :wink:

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Oooo! That's interesting :-). Maybe Blackbush would make a good dio. Thanks for the info I'll check it out.


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Didn't Doug Arnold own Blackbushe for a time?
If so, that would really open things up!

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There are lots of possibilities. Apart from occassional visitors, perhaps other squadron /wing commanders for meetings, as has been mentioned they may have had ATA taxi activity to pick up pilots who have delivered the bombers. ATA used Ansons and Rapides usually for this task. There might have been a squadron 'hack' like a Tiger Moth.

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Are you also proposing to model the buildings and hangars and vehicles to go with it? I have made a few nissen huts out of Pringle tubes. I think there is someone who makes 1/72 scale RAF buildings or hangars but I cannot remember who.

As for vehicles you will have seen Airfix is bringing out a Bomber Support vehicle set in 1/72 - all new models including a Bedford MW and Standard Tilley all of which would be in camo colours and NOT RAF blue (see Mike Starmer's posts on here for details)


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LarryH57 wrote:
I think there is someone who makes 1/72 scale RAF buildings or hangars but I cannot remember who.

Amera :!:

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LarryH57 wrote:
I have made a few nissen huts out of Pringle tubes.

Can you show us those Nissens ???

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I'll post some photos soon.

They were easy to make. The first thing to do is to select a pringle tube in the shops that is fairly smooth on the outside, as some have ridges where the cardboard has been joined in a spiral. Next eat the contents and once empty cut the tub along its length to get an arch all the way long the tube. The shape of the arch is a bit more than half a circle so you can only make one hut per tube. I marked the lines to be cut on each side of the tube with a pencil and made sure they were parallel. Cutting was done with a modelling saw. Only when the hut shaped arch was correct did I cut it to the right length. If you cut it to length first you are left with an open ended tube which is not so strong for cutting.

After the hut shape was formed the ends were used to mark the end walls on a bit of card from a cereal box and one of these needed to have two windows and a door cut in them. I glazed mine with some spare windows from a Card Building in HO scale but clear packaging would also do.

You may need to strengthen the bottom of he end plates with balsa or a bit of wood from a long match.

I wasn't too sure of the size and estimated mine from photos but then again I think they were designed to vary anyway! Before I glazed my nissen hut I painted the outside a shade of RAF Green similar to the green on a BoB Spitfire. I have yet to paint mine with black camo as I have yet to find a suitable photo of one with camo on it. It seems many were left in one colour!

Lastly here is a fantasic website for reference to colours

http://patrickbaty.co.uk/2011/10/05/war ... e-colours/


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