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 Post subject: Undercoating & Priming
PostPosted: Wed 24 May 2006 21:08 pm 
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when you paint figures give them an undercoat of black spray it helps and brings out detail on them

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 Post subject: Primer
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I have been using Plasticote primer for a while, and have had mixed results with it, so while in Halfords last week I picked up a can of Halfords own brand grey primer on a whim to see if it would be any better.

I have found it to be a lot better than the Plasticote and despite it costing about £1 more per tin and needing a little bit more of a rub down it is well worth it with a fast dry/cure time and the finished result being much better IMO

I would be interested to hear what other people use as a primer.


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I brushpaint with Hu64, which seems to cover quite nicely.

I've got some Halfords grey too, which I haven't used yet, so it's good to hear that it works well.

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I hate plasicote - I used it once and it dissolved my model aswell as flaking off into a fine powder :idea: :!:

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I have used Plasticote with no problems at all,I sometimes wonder if it all depends on where and when you spray and also on the level of humidity ,because I have had mixed results with Tamiya sprays including their primer.I have tried Halfords on a kit and whilst it was okay it did require more rubbing down than any other :D

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Halfords Grey Plastic Primer is widely considered to be the best spray primer out there. It covers well, but you have to be mindful to make sure the can is well shaken and not to spray in really hot conditions as the paint can dry before it hits the surface and you end up with a dry powdery build up.

I have used Plastikote, cellulose paints, Humbrol's new primers, but I find myself sticking with Halfords.

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All,
I now use Alcad primer through the airbrush it is the smoothest primer but you need good ventillation.
Halfords is the best from the can but it is still from a can and therfore heavy, good for 1/12 scale cars where sanding down is easier
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I now use Alcad primer through the airbrush it is the smoothest primer but you need good ventillation.
Halfords is the best from the can but it is still from a can and therfore heavy, good for 1/12 scale cars where sanding down is easier
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I've had a problem with Halfords primers being "heavy", in fact multiple coats never seem to obliterate final recessed detail.

The kisser is that sometimes it still won't hide faint cracks on join line either!

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Hi,
I'd like to try spraying a 1/72 mustang in BMW titanium silver, as recommended somewhere on this site. I'm not sure what to use for primer though - Halfords grey springs to mind but I once read that gloss black makes a good undercoat for nmf.

Has anyone tried it?


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Not tried it.... yet
but I've also seen black recommended and blue also is supposed to give the silver a different quality :o

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Sep 2006 00:03 am 
Gloss black is recommended for buffing paints where you want to get a highly polished finish. If you're not buffing I would stick with the Halfords grey.

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Hi there,

Yes, tried this method. Not all over a kit thought .

I usually did it for bigger kits (48-24th) for the landing gear suspension casings. I applied gloss black and resprayed with Alclad - comes up smooth chrome. Might bit a bit bright for your kit though. Grey could be best as mentioned previously.

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I remember many years ago being advised by a modelliong sage that the best undercoat for silver was white,notbeing a spray painter I have never tried it,but it may give you another option to try otu :D

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Whatever you use, make sure that it's another Halfords acrylic!

Personally, I don't use any primer for the Halfords silvers. I find that all the primers give a slightly rough finish, and need to be sanded smooth and polished before putting a "natural metal" layer on top! I'd prefer to do the polishing directly on the plastic. The wicked solvent in the acrylics makes sure they key happily onto the shiniest plastic without primer...

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Right then,

that's black for the undercarriage, white for the upper wings, grey for the lower wings and nothing for the fuselage..


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Alcad do a gloss black undercoat/base for use with their metalics, this gives a very good tone to the aluminium skin etc, and if all surfaces get a nice smooth finish before painting it will look like genuine metal. DO NOT sand or rub the black base, and keep it thin.

Hannants reckon that their Xtracolor paints are a good sustitute for the sold out Humbrol items. Good paint but not the same to work with.


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 Post subject: Ideal primer for NMF
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Can anyone tell me what type & colour of primer is best for NMF scheme on a model which has a very light blue/grey plastic.

I've read somewhere that gloss black is what you used but I've tried that on a model and it wasn't very successful at all.

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I read in Mark Stanton's Scale Aircraft Modelling that different colours had changing effects on Alclad II :roll: and that Testors Metalizer paints can be painted directly on the plastic without undercoating :o but may require buffing :roll:
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Ayup Kitnut...

Really, the shade of plastic shouldn't be an issue.

Ideally for Polished Aluminium or chrome, really you should use a black Gloss. read all about it on:

http://www.alclad2.com/alclad-home.html

Or http://www.swannysmodels.com

for the other shades, a gloss white could be used too. I do believe though that good NMF can be achieved with Metalcotes too, over a base of Humbrol gloss black too.

Alclad also do a 'Honey primer'. This can be read about too on Alclad's website. for snj etc. i haven't a clue, i'm afraid, as i haven't used them yet...


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I've had no problem with using H1 undercoat followed by a coat of Klear.

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