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 Post subject: WW2 US Airborne
PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2007 09:30 am 
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whats the best match for a US Airborne figure in humbrol paints, is it possible to mix a good enough colour with colours HU30, HU116, Hu117, Hu226 i also tried conbineing Revell 87. will any of this work, any other mixes better. the first four coklours are the only greens i have, will these work?


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Depends on which bit of the war you're trying to represent - the original US Airborne uniforms used on the D-Day 6th June 1944 were a sandy brown colour. It was only later on (and might even have been after Market Garden - but I'm not sure) that they were issued the same uniforms as the rest of the US Army.

For the D-Day colours I'd go for something a little lighter than British Army uniform khaki.

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thanks david, can you sugest any humbrol colurs that may be suitabel for this

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How about H84 Middle Stone?

found some pics of the 1942 paratroopers uniform here:

http://www.atthefront.com/us_uni_paraM42.htm

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I posted the following on a forum some time ago (can't remember if it was here :? ). Hopefully the links will still work. As you can see there is some variation in the colour of the M42 Jump Suit which was worn up to and including D-Day.

There has been a great deal of debate regarding the exact colour of the US Airborne M42 jump suit, as worn by the Airfix US Paras, http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Rev ... code=01751 with colours ranging from very light tan to olive green being thrown into the equation it would seem that the official designated colour was OD#3 shade (Olive Drab Number 3).

Here is an interesting little article with regard to the colours used and why (this is from a company that makes re-production uniforms by the way).
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/jumpsuit.htm

From the same company, two shots of the Airborne M42 jump suit, the first which appears to be in a light olive green and depicts the uniform as ‘most commonly worn’* in Normandy on the D-Day drop. Incidentally the Imperial War Museum in London had one of these jump suits on display many years ago in exactly this colour.
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/tom.jpg

And this shot shows the tan coloured jump suit more readily associated with the US Airborne troops, I suspect that this colour of jump suit may have been more suitable for the drops in the Mediterranean Theatre of operations, Sicily etc but it also seems to have been worn on the D-Day drop and many say that this was the only colour of jump suit worn/issued.
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/qm3.jpg

Some detail close ups of the Jacket
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/olfront.jpg
the reinforced pocket
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/olpocket.jpg
and the elbow reinforcement
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/olelbow.jpg
a nice shot of the rear of the jacket showing the expanding pleat detail
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/olback.jpg

The following site has some interesting items about the M42 uniform (as well as the later M43 issue). It is quite interesting to read how the uniforms were recycled through the units as troopers were K.I.A. or wounded, one jacket being worn by 3 different men and apparently it had never been washed
http://www.101airborneww2.com/uniforms.html

Here is a link to an Airborne Pathfinders re-enactors site, these are the chaps who drop first, ahead of the main assault, to secure and mark the drop zones for their comrades to land on.
http://www.aapathfinders.co.uk/58184/24117.html
It is interesting to note that the Pathfinders would often camouflage their uniforms with paint seemingly applied in a haphazard fashion by brush (This method is still used by many serving soldiers today but generally to camouflage bulky items of kit like bergens etc).
As a further point of interest, in the film Saving Private Ryan the character portrayed by Ted Danson identifies himself as a Pathfinder and his uniform is suitably daubed with DIY camouflage

http://www.sproe.com/images/screenshots ... -large.jpg

http://www.sproe.com/images/screenshots ... -large.jpg

Another re-enactor site with some useful shots of uniform items and equipment
http://www.501para.com/index.asp?SID=5

And finally to some paint colour suggestions.

Here is a link to SHQ website painting guides, there is one for US Airborne troops.
http://www.shqminiatures.com/Xtras/PaintingGuides.htm
Here it states quite categorically that US Paras wore the ‘tan’ jump suit on D-Day and not olive drab, I leave you to draw your own conclusions. It features a couple of nice illustrations and gives colour guides to Humbrol, Vallejo and Colour Party paints.

I must say that I disagree with some choices of colour.
If painting the ‘tan’ uniform I would use 250 Desert Sand as a basis for the jacket and trousers, I feel that 118 US Tan looks a little to pink, although I must add that as with all of these suggestion I am using the swatches in the resources section of the Airfix site and am not 100% sure how true they depict the colour in the tin.

If painting the ‘D-Day’ scheme I would use either 86 Light Olive for a new uniform or 105 Marine Green (perhaps with a touch of white) to give the faded greyish appearance portrayed in the picture above.
For the helmet I would prefer 155 Olive Drab, I think that the suggested colour of 91 Black Green is far to dark.
Should you wish to add the hand applied camouflage found on Pathfinders uniforms to any of your figures I would again suggest 155 Olive Drab perhaps with a little black or Dark Grey mixed in. This colour could also be used to paint the reinforcing patches on the knees and elbows again 91 Black Green, I think, would be to dark.
The colour suggested for the webbing 103 Cream is fine (121 Pale Stone would also do).
And finally silver for buckles? As far as I can remember US Army WW2 web kit had brass fittings usually with a black or olive drab coating.
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/c ... tarmy1.JPG
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/c ... ebelt1.JPG

The above covers US Airborne/Paratroops up to D-Day (as depicted by the Airfix set of figures (and also Revell and Italeri/Esci sets).
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Rev ... code=02517
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Rev ... C&code=209


For operations after D-Day US Airborne troops, with the possible exception of some units of the 82nd, were issued the M43 Combat jacket and trousers (the trousers often being modified to have a large expanding cargo pocket on each leg). The colour of this uniform was olive drab.
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/m43jacket.JPG
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/m43pants.JPG

To best depict these troops you would need to get a set of Revell US Infantry
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Rev ... code=02503

*Quote taken from WWII Impressions website in relation to their ‘Overlord’ M42 Jump Suit.

Cheers

Stu


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Great stuff Stu!

I was basing most of my stuff on a Histoire & Collections book on the 6th of June, and the re-enactors in that were wearing uniforms that looked browner rather than green (presuming that their gear was authentic and not repro :shock: ) Of course some of the material used to patch the uniforms and add pockets looked greener rather than brown.... and so it goes.

I would avoid the Humbrol (1960s USAF colour) 118 Tan for the basic uniform as it has a pinkish tinge. Similarly, I'd be dubious about cream coloured webbing, should be a sandier, greener colour.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007 10:17 am 
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wondering if any one could help - what humbrol colour would be best for the uniforms worn by the 101 and 82 airbourne before and during the normandy campaign - they were tan, but i can't work out a good humbrol match - hu118 tan is way to dark, and too orange.

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There's a guide here that may be of use  :shrug:

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cheers guys, i had been using 83 and this was the closest i got, but i didn;t try dry brushing so i will give that a go, and cheers ratch, but 1. that guide is fro brit airbourne, and 2 i did look at  SHQ, and this recomemened 118 tan, which is no where near the right colour, cheers any way.

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