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PostPosted: Thu 22 May 2014 10:38 am 
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Found these superb transfers from RTI models
White 1mm high letters (equivalent to 3" high letters in 1:72)

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Look at the registration on the Fordson/Allen Taylor tructor.
The roundel, incidentally, is from Mehusla (who have also started doing 1, 1.5, 2mm high lettering too)

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014 18:35 pm 
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I too obtained such small white letters for my fleet of BRS lorries where i needed to make up the depot and vehicles codes. Was everso fiddly.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014 22:12 pm 
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I know....but I don't think a model is finished until it has a proper reg on it.... :?

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014 23:38 pm 
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The registration doesn't correspond to any RAF type, have a look at this, it might help . . .

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2014 20:02 pm 
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The reg is the best I could get from a very worn photo- It was my understanding that prior to the outbreak of war RAF vehicles only displayed the Middlesex CC reg- which in theory should start with 'J'- However, as that included all government vehicles as well, they must have run out of marks very soon. And by 1934 marks were issued in a very random pattern.

There is a PDF on the web:
'A HISTORY OF MOTOR CAR REGISTRATION NUMBERS IN GREAT BRITAIN' by MAC Horne, that goes into great detail.

The Ford E7V was bought prewar by the RAF, both as a 5ton tipper, and a Allen Taylor 'Tructor' Conversion (used as an aircraft tractor and general towing). Interestingly, the Tructors were never in RAF Blue- the contract (dated in Jan 1939) seems to indicate Nobels Green as the base colour. (Makes me wonder about what Ted Angus said in another thread- he said that he always thought there was some sort of camouflage order, that was to be introduced on the outbreak of war)

Just shows though, there is a lot of research still needed....

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Aug 2014 21:02 pm 
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You are correct, many RAF vehicles carried pre-war registrations even well after the time when they should have been removed.


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Aug 2014 21:59 pm 
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Camo on declaration of war- The more I dig the more the photographic evidence is that RAF vehicles were going into camo by early September 1939. There was some home movie film unearthed a few months ago of an Aux Sqn mobilising at Aldergrove and they were going flat out with the spray gun- even doing their private cars !!
re the civvy reg numbers I have several photos of Balloon Sqn vehicles operating on the south coast - Operation Diver in late 1944 and of other Balloon Sqn vehicles operating near Antwerp and on the Dutch border very late 1944 all carrying Middlesex CC reg numbers and still bearing early camo patterns of the non " Mickey Mouse era" type.


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PostPosted: Fri 08 Aug 2014 10:38 am 
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daveh wrote:
the contract (dated in Jan 1939) seems to indicate Nobels Green as the base colour.

This would have been Nobels Khaki Green No.3 which looks more brown than green. I managed to match this colour using a 1939 dated steel helmet and parts of a motorcycle still with the 1940 paint scheme and 2nd Infantry Division markings in 2007.


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Aug 2014 13:14 pm 
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A discussion at a local RAFA meeting threw up an interesting recollection.
An ex-station admin clerk, remembers that around the Munich Crisis, his station was issued with a pack for use in the event of hostilities, which was effectively a selection of colour charts (by Nobels) for aircraft, vehicles and buildings, and a booklet of instructions. He thinks the paint was ordered direct from the manufactors, by each station, and held by the station until needed to be issued to appropriate units....

....Funnily enough, he also thinks that some RAF vehicles were camouflaged well before the outbreak of war, around the time of Munich...

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That ties in with all my thoughts, a secret or even top secret set of instructions held in the Station Commanders safe, on receipt of code word X open this envelope and carry out actions XYZ on receipt of codeword A open this envelope ; OR a book containing a list of actions each action would be initiated by receipt of a code word sent by Telex Signal .
During the cold war We held the Station's "war book" or at least the parts relevant to our sector within the station; it contained lists of actions to be taken on receipt of alert warning XYZ the book had annexes which contain the detail for each of these actions .
Now to develop this scenario, given that none of our repaint instructions for kit going to the GULF in GW 1 & 2 are contained in any Defence Council Instruction ( successor to Air Ministry Orders or formal publication-- we received all our instructions by Telex signals- My thought is the reason we cannot locate cam instructions for RAF vehicles for the period 1939 to mid 41 is the fact that cam instructions were promulgated to Stations and Units as the storm clouds gathered and were not the subject to AMOs until hostilities became protracted and the over by Xmas thoughts had been put to bed. ???
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014 18:33 pm 
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That would make sense. Add a 'Destroy After Reading' tag, and the hope of any message being kept, rest between 'bob' and 'no'.

And, although I would have thought the originating command would have kept the original message, we're reliant on that surviving....

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014 19:18 pm 
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I would think buried deep inside the MoD's Air Historical Branch and/or Station/Unit/Sqn ORBs ( operational Record Books ) something will have survived but it hasn't surfaced yet And the whole of the RAF is smaller than the smallest Command when I joined in 64 !!


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'They' call it progress....

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