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PostPosted: Sun 04 Oct 2009 22:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wish I could afford it  

Fascinating article, though, I never knew the RAF had 2309 Hurricanes in 1940.  No wonder they won the battle!
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009 09:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where'd you find that number?

At the start of the Battle Fighter Command numbered about 700 aircraft in total, 600 or so being Hurricanes and Spitfires.

I suppose 2000+ of the type could have flown between July and October.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's in the article:

"The aircraft is one of only 11 airworthy Hurricanes in existence. By the time of the Battle of Britain, the Royal Air Force had 2309 of them."

A fine piece of research in the finest traditions of journalism.  
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hewman100 wrote:
Where'd you find that number?

At the start of the Battle Fighter Command numbered about 700 aircraft in total, 600 or so being Hurricanes and Spitfires.

I suppose 2000+ of the type could have flown between July and October.


Some mistery about aircraft numbers still exists, some figures :   HERE  

That one is just for Spitfires.

Hurricanes :  HERE

An interesting site. As it is RAF MOD I would hope the figures are correct.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009 09:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must have missed it in my read-throughs

The 1715 sounds much more plausible to me Loll
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder some times whether a figure is more guess than fact, would you for instance have thought that Avro built 11,020 Ansons ?  

Sometimes I think that a total production is added to the individual factory figures , thus doubling the quantity at a stroke !

I have the full production (taken from factory records and MOD receipts) figures for Spitfire PR MkXIX, with all the serial numbers , including those which were sold on to India etc post war. This is a huge list, far more than I believed were made.  
Records also show over 12,000 Lancasters, with combat & accident losses of 65 to 80% ???

It is a shame that these figures differ from book to book and some very strange references sometimes appear. It seems the MOD and factory figures are the most accurate, although some errors still show up in the official records. Several aircraft went out with duplicate serial numbers, and then were renumbered just to confuse things. This seems to happen on batch ending numbers. Obviously some batches were counted like fence posts (there is always one more than the panels) the last number actually being the first number of the next batch, if the second numbers batch was at a different factory, it could be some time before the mistake was picked up.
I have a photo somewhere with two C-47's parked together at an American factory, both had the same numbers one on the port side and the other on the stb side, stand between them and you see two numbers, look at both from the same side and = same number.  
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009 09:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing particularly with Hurricanes was that MkIs were recalled 'upgraded' to MkII status, re-serialled and shipped to Russia. These instances are fairly well documented
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loll wrote:



An interesting site. As it is RAF MOD I would hope the figures are correct.


Oh really?  I've been working on the Navy's input to a joint service paper this morning that will be put before Ministers in a few weeks time that is so full of fictitious figures from the RAF that it could have been written by Enid Blyton!

That said, they have nothing to gain from making up figures about historical aircraft so I have no specific reason to doubt their website...
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct 2009 14:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wookie wrote:
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An interesting site. As it is RAF MOD I would hope the figures are correct.


Oh really?  I've been working on the Navy's input to a joint service paper this morning that will be put before Ministers in a few weeks time that is so full of fictitious figures from the RAF that it could have been written by Enid Blyton!

That said, they have nothing to gain from making up figures about historical aircraft so I have no specific reason to doubt their website...


I would imagine the same would be said from the other side too. Why spoil a good figure to a Minister by clouding it with the truth ?    
There is an idea to cut MOD spending by 20%, if it works the same as the last cuts it should increase spending by about 30% and provide less service again.
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