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Ratch · Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2007 17:52 pm Post subject:

I'd prefer a quality build with Wills plastic brick sheets used etc (for scratchbuilt stuff) or proper kits if needs be

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davecov · Posted: Sun 25 Mar 2007 13:03 pm Post subject:

Owen, would you like to do your magic drawing act on the other two sections of the proposed layout? My drawing skills are a disaster and would put people off!.

Then, once the three sections have been "Owen-ised" we can decide if that is the way ahead. If it is, then we can move on to the Diorama Design thread to work out how we are making it, what the dimensions are etc.

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Owen · Posted: Sun 25 Mar 2007 16:56 pm Post subject:

Yes, I can attempt it!

Just one thing, I would alter the design of the original one slightly so the sea would end on that board. The jetty could then come from the side of the board to avoid modelling sea across that gap and to make sure that there is less sea to model too.

I have very cleverly binned the original design on that pic whilst clearing away junk. I won't re do it, but it would be good if someone could copy/crop that picture for me!
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davecov · Posted: Sun 25 Mar 2007 21:03 pm Post subject:

Thanks, Owen.

I have cropped your "country" picture -

BTW, I agree that the "town" section should have no sea and that the "beach" section should have as small an area of water as possible. Perhaps the quayside and pier would form the lower edge of both sections, with the pier terminating before the end?

Anyway, get scribbling. A picture is worth a thousand words - or more!

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Owen · Posted: Sun 25 Mar 2007 21:16 pm Post subject:

I meant to do them this evening, but somewhere along the line I got stuck packing boxes!
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Owen · Posted: Sun 25 Mar 2007 23:03 pm Post subject:

The clocks changing mean that I can't nod off, so I figured the most theraputic method to drop back off would be to do the two other designs in rough. Here is what I came up with:

Module 2 - ATFville on Sea (We should change that name to something a bit more subtle!)

Being the centre of the Diorama, this should have the most action in it. I don't think an all out 'street warfare' diorama is in order, but more of a 'Resistance Fighting Back, "Oi, you're under ocupation, Obey it" ' type of diorama. It might be an idea to drop a few subtle things in. Perhaps we could have a crashed Sd.KFz.222 crashed into the side of the building a little bit like on 'Allo 'Allo!

Module 1 - The Beach

Joining onto the promenade of Module 2, it might be an idea to have some armour on the beach being organised, some engineers clearing up defences or some landing barges unloading troops and goods. We could also use the Airfix E-Boot and have it moored up along side the jetty. On the end of the Jetty there could be a destroyed pillbox or emplacement of some sort. Beach huts could line the bottom of the Lower Promenade.
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joe · Posted: Mon 26 Mar 2007 13:53 pm Post subject:

Owen, could you take a pic of the sheets all together?

Excellent! so! its on the way. Now we just need all our approval

I think its great personally, i just hope im not in charge of all those buildings Nailbiting

All in favour say ATF
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Owen · Posted: Mon 26 Mar 2007 16:08 pm Post subject:

Joe, I'm afraid that:

joe · Posted: Mon 26 Mar 2007 17:40 pm Post subject:

Oh right - thats fine - we've still got the pics, but do you think thats the right design?
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Owen · Posted: Mon 26 Mar 2007 17:59 pm Post subject:

Can anyone point out any major flaws with this draft design? Are we going to use this?
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davecov · Posted: Mon 26 Mar 2007 19:06 pm Post subject:

I have made a composite of your three drawings, Owen, and you can see it below (click thumbnail for bigger image):

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I haven't had time yet but I will give it the once over during the next day or two.

BTW, you should bear in mind that the S-Boot is over 45cm long (and 7cm wide) and would take up the complete quayside of the right-hand section - and more if we had 90x40cm boards. It might be worth having a smaller scratch-built tank/troop-carrying barge which would be about the third of the size (12x5cm) of the S-Boot. I just so happen to have an Airfix Magazine article showing how to scratch-build Operation Sealion invasion barges....

Thanks

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Owen · Posted: Mon 26 Mar 2007 19:20 pm Post subject:

The 90cm x 40cm came off the top of my head, and wasn't guesstimated very well, we'd be better off with something a little bigger I think.

Maybe a 1m x 50cm Board would be a little bigger.

Thanks for doing those pics Dave, I'm quite surprised I got a few things to match up to the Railway section - it was purely guess work!
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joe · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 07:09 am Post subject:

Its handy that we know how to scratchbuild the invasion barges!

this is going to be big, but as long as we all know what we're doing, we can pull it off!

By the way, i thought maybe we would have a glider landing aswell...

i dont think it would be great if the fight on the beach is a stalemate, i think that in the dioraMA the beach is being overrun in some places ( with tanks etc moving inland ) while the british are holding other parts.
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Ratch · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 15:30 pm Post subject:

I'd suggest 2ft x 4ft baseboards making an overall layout of 6ft x 4ft

It would be sensible to re-inforce the undersides with battens, which will also help to fix the three boards together (with some suitable bolts) ensuring they remain rigid when displayed

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Owen · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 15:40 pm Post subject:

2 Feet x 4 Feet sounds fine, and you can also by Plywood in 6ft x 4ft Sheets which is handy. This diorama will be big though, as big as the Standard Hornby Trackmat, and that's quite big!

As for the scene, I don't think there should be fighting on the beach or in the town. It would be better IMHO if we had the British Resistance fighting back, with them hiding behind hedges waiting to set off explosives and trying to blow up the railway and bridges.
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Ratch · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 15:57 pm Post subject:

I suppose for the defending Brits there could be a mish-mash of infantry & commando type uniforms

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joe · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 18:40 pm Post subject:

Fighting! this should be the fall of blighty! not the "boring bit before the fall of a few bridges"
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Little Kid Falky · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 19:38 pm Post subject:

Hey all! Found this really good site that could be handy for scratchbuilding invasion craft. It's for Allied craft but they can't be too different and it is a whif

[ Link Edited By Mod - It Doesn't work and is Stupendously Long!]
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Owen · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 19:44 pm Post subject:

Hi Edd,

Can you find a shorter link, that one is too long. And it doesn't work!
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davecov · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 20:12 pm Post subject:

Last week I dug out an old Airfix Magazine showing how to scratch-build barges and it had this picture:

http://www.davecov.com/models/pic.../airfixmagazinesealiondiorama.jpg

It will give us a good idea of scale - the two barges behind that tug in the centre of the picture are each 4.5" long. Note that the diorama has a lot of features that our one will have. The main differences are that we have a town where there is a large gun emplacement and the bridge will be over to the left of the town.

BTW, I didn't nick my idea from this picture - I used the real-life Looe in Cornwall as the basis for our design. Even so, it is a bit spooky seeing something so similar! Not totally surprising I suppose, as all three feature a railway, promenade, pier and buildings.

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