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Owen · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 20:18 pm Post subject:

That Image you linked to Dave is uncomfortably similar to what we've got planned!

I'm sure ours will be much better though!
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Little Kid Falky · Posted: Tue 27 Mar 2007 20:26 pm Post subject:

Sorry guys

http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/amphib.php?id=14
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stuzzar · Posted: Wed 28 Mar 2007 09:53 am Post subject:

I don't think that the German invasion fleet was as well organised as the allied one that assaulted Europe on D-Day. As far as I am aware most of the 'Landing Craft' were infact cargo barges that had been very hastilly converted if converted at all. They should be fairly easy to make from scratch.

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joe · Posted: Wed 28 Mar 2007 18:01 pm Post subject:

Hi guys!

At the milton keynes model club meeting tonight, im going to tell one of the modellers ( a model magazine editor ) about this joint build. If he likes the idea, the forum could make a name of itself in his magazine!
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Owen · Posted: Wed 28 Mar 2007 19:18 pm Post subject:

That sounds good Joe! What magazine does he edit?
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joe · Posted: Thu 29 Mar 2007 07:04 am Post subject:

im not sure

I was told we would be able to get a few pages on the milton keynes scale model club website about the project

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joe · Posted: Fri 30 Mar 2007 16:07 pm Post subject:

coool

do we want action or pre-landing preperations?
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Ratch · Posted: Fri 30 Mar 2007 18:20 pm Post subject:

Why not have both

It'll be a large board and I'm sure that in 'real life' there would be pockets of fighting and other areas of movement

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Owen · Posted: Fri 30 Mar 2007 19:56 pm Post subject:

We could have an ambush in full swing in either the Village or Station

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joe · Posted: Sat 31 Mar 2007 08:59 am Post subject:

now you're talking!

i still think that troops could be mustering in ATFville itself, but i love the idea of an ambush. where there isnt fighting there should be garrisons being set up in the odd field and that
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Owen · Posted: Sat 31 Mar 2007 10:02 am Post subject:

Remember that there will be numerous PillBoxes across the Diorama.

We could have pockets of action near them as us Brits try to hold off the invasion.

Of course, most would be taken out by armour, so if we had them in places where armour could not reach, it could make it a bit more interesting

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joe · Posted: Sat 31 Mar 2007 11:53 am Post subject:

yeah like rocky outcrops and in trees

we have to have some kind of herioc last stand going on at the seafront too

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joe · Posted: Fri 06 Apr 2007 10:35 am Post subject:

As ratch was saying, the base should be made out of quality material. nice and light, though.
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Ratch · Posted: Sat 28 Apr 2007 22:41 pm Post subject:

I gave this a bit of thought today. What would the German Invasion Strategy/Tactics involved

Would there have been heavy naval and/or air bombardment of the town

If so, many of the buildings would be damaged

Would they have used airborne forces - paratroops & gliders

Just a couple of things to consider

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davecov · Posted: Sat 28 Apr 2007 23:39 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure that they would have bombarded the shoreline and town as they would have tried to capture the harbour facilities intact. Otherwise why go for a populated area? An aerial and naval bombardment of rail and roads to the rear may have been possible to prevent the arrival of British troops though whilst a bridgehead is established. Of course, the RN would have interfered with any sort of Naval bombardment within hours of it starting using destroyers and MTBs and the Home Fleet could have been attacking within 48 hours so it would have been somewhat limited. The RAF would have caused havoc as well, even though the Germans would have had local air superiority. Chances were that any sort of Naval bombardment would have been very limited. The Kriegsmarine had suffered badly during the Norwegian campaign and they had very little available to support the landings in any case. All they had was one heavy cruiser, three light cruisers and nine destroyers! And they had to cover all the landing locations and help protect the invasion fleet! They were even considering using two old training battleships but due to their lack of A/A and A/S weapons they were discarded.

Looking at the Operation Sealion article in the October 1975 issue of Airfix Magazine, it says that there were two German parachute regiments of the 7th Flieger-Division earmarked for the invasion. Due to losses in Holland they had roughly 5,000-6,000 troops available for Sealion. Each regiment had three Rifle Battalions, a Mountain Gun Company, an Anti Tank Company and finally Medical, Signals etc. To carry the airborne troops there were 150 DFS 230 gliders and 1,000 Ju52's (some of which towed gliders). In addition there were about 50 Ju89-90 transports. The article also suggested that Heinkel 59 seaplanes could have been used to land shock troops near bridges etc (as they had been in Holland). Some troops were also going to be landed wearing British uniforms or civilian clothes. These were from the Brandenburg organisation (Special Unit 800).

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Ratch · Posted: Sun 29 Apr 2007 21:56 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that Dave

I seem to remember something about the Kreigsmarine wanting the operation delayed because a) they were worried about the Royal Navy and b) they wanted air superiority

Of course, they're the reasons why it didn't take place, and our concept is that it did

I just wondered whether the Germans had a detailed plan that had become available; would they have used similar tactics to those used by the Allies on D-Day or more of a Sicicilian invasion

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davecov · Posted: Sun 29 Apr 2007 22:28 pm Post subject:

I think part of the problem was that the Germans suddenly found themselves on the channel with the prospect of having to invade Britain, something they had probably considered too seriously as Hitler was always expecting Britain to make peace. When Germany did draw up plans, they were going to send an invasion fleet to many different locations along the British coast from Dorset in the west to the East Coast of Kent. They then scaled it down to a lot fewer locations but even so, it was mighty ambitious.

The Germans never had the industrial capacity to carry out an "Overlord" or something similar and their preparations were laughable. Whilst the Allies had 5,000 ships, thousands of aircraft and even took their own harbour across the channel, the Germans were commandeering pleasure craft, barges and anything else they could get their hands on. I'm surprised they didn't have a special pedallo flotilla!

Here is a Wikipedia article that may be of interest. Of note is the result of some Sandhurst wargames.

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Ratch · Posted: Sun 29 Apr 2007 22:35 pm Post subject:

There was something similar to the Sandhurst wargame on TV not too long ago

they reckoned the invasion would have been repelled within a week as the force could not be re-supplied

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