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| So which airlines will you fly with next ? |
Possibly not THIS one if you are of a nervous disposition. Just imagine a first time flier being on that flight  |
| So which airlines will you fly with next ? |
I reckon a first time flier would hopefully be sitting there in ignorant bliss. Those of us whom are aviation minded would have been some what nervous.
A couple of months ago I experienced a landing where the pilot used up half the strip before setting down and then had to stamp on the brakes hard before he ran out of strip. I was sitting there thinking 'hmm this could get interesting through too wondering if the driver was waiting for an engraved invitation' even the cabin crew were nervous. 
A few years ago we had an Air Garuda machine try to land on the Freeway leading to the Airport   |
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| Garuda = Gets Airborne Rarely, Use Different Airline |
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I'm flying American Airlines this week - Vancouver-Phoenix, Phoenix-Philadelphia and then Philadelphia-Manchester. 3 take-offs & 3 landings. I have complete faith in the capability of the flight crew, the aircraft and the ground controllers.  |
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| Brews wrote: | | I'm flying American Airlines this week - Vancouver-Phoenix, Phoenix-Philadelphia and then Philadelphia-Manchester. 3 take-offs & 3 landings. I have complete faith in the capability of the flight crew, the aircraft and the ground controllers. |
Such blind faith Brews Just check that the crew are awake every half hour and sit by a door over the wing .. 
Who'd be a passenger !!!
The pilot of a Silver Falcons aerobatic display team Pilatus P-7 MkII in South Africa , had a shock when his civilian passenger mistakenly grabbed the eject handle while they were doing a few aerobatics and banged himself out into clear air. Although shocked he was otherwise unharmed.
It seems the Air Force pilot was giving his friend a joy ride, apparently without the CO's permission. .... So I wonder who has to pay for the scrambled rescue chopper and the new canopy. I hope his third party insurance covers it ...
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I could dig up some interesting facts, but off the top of my head (i.e. don't quote me on exactness), the risk of getting killed each year by the following methods:
1. Car - 1:2000
2. Scheduled Air Flight - 1:1000,000
3. Motor Bike
4. Horse Riding
5. Ultra Light
6. Drowning
7. More
Actually, I'm not game to put figures against anything other than car and flights I'll dig up the correct ones later on (they're on another computer - but available on the web, too). The figures were compiled by the Australian Geomechanics Society to assess the risk of Landslides (one of the *other* risks).
Motor bikes and Ultra Lights are riskier than cars, IIRC. Horse riding may be, too ... I'm not sure. |
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Location affects the risk as well, China Airlines and also the Hawaiian one which lost the cabin roof and a stewardess too, have a less than ideal reputation. If you fly budget you might suspect that things are not checked as thoroughly as we would like.
The big worry should be collisions near airports, especially with light aircraft, but the biggest worry at the moment is bored or distracted/over tired aircrew. Probably too much reliance on automated systems. especially crews who have worked long term on only one aircraft type. Familiarity breeds neglect.
One of my professors gave us some good advice: the chances of anything going wrong are always 50/50 no matter how many times you do it. odds are for race courses, and for making a decent living for bookies. |
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It would be interesting to see the figures for trains too  |
| So which airlines will you fly with next ? |
If I recall trains were almost as safe as flying. Must be the way the drivers get trained ...  |
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Ok:
Risk (deaths per participant per year) / Activity:
Deep Sea Fishing (UK) 1:1,000
Motor Cycling / Horse Riding / Ultralight Flying (Canada): 1:1,000 - 1:10,000
Motor Vehicle Use - 1:23,000 (see, I couldn't even remember that one!)
Fall 1:30,000
Drowning 1:70,000
Fire / Burn 1:180,000
Choking on Food 1:660,000
Scheduled Airlines 1:1,000,000 (Canada)
Train Travel 1:2,300,000
Lightning Strike 1:32,000,000 |
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Lies, damn lies and statistics  |
| So which airlines will you fly with next ? |
When you consider that only about a third of people ever go into the water, that is one frightening damn statistic drowning.
The falls one, was that alcohol assisted ? and did they count falling down when thumped by a vandal ?
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How I interpret that to mean, Loll, is that for every 70,000 swimmers in a river, lake or beach or recreational sailors / boaters - someone will drown per year. What I notice here in Canada is that in summer, a lot of people who only occasionally go near water, presumably, were the ones who drowned (i.e. careless and/or weak swimmers).
Putting some famous names to those risk classes, I can nominate Sonny Bono for the "Fall" category, James Dean for MVA, Mama Cass for "choking", Brian Jones for "drowning". I don't know whether or not Buddy Holly & Big Boppa or Lynyrd Skynrd were on Scheduled Flights or charters .. |
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| I wonder how many fall of pleasure boats while drunk ? or from cross channel ferries while heaving over a low rail ..... |
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Hi Bruce,
Don`t forget your Nanamo to Vancouver leg.
Floatplane or ferry? |
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| Ferry, Roger. Duke Point - Tsawassen. Staying at Travelodge Vancouver Airport on Wednesday night ... hoping nothing falls on me |
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| Have a good trip and hopefully I will see you there. |
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Hmmm, should I or shouldn't I?
| Loll wrote: | | Location affects the risk as well, China Airlines and also the Hawaiian one which lost the cabin roof and a stewardess too, have a less than ideal reputation. |
That's proven to be incorrect. Location has not a lot to do with airline safety. Culture, whether it be national or airline, on the other hand, does. Aloha (the Hawaiian one) had a maintenance inspection issue but it was something unkown even to airliner manufacturers at the time. Their safety record was either disastrous or impeccable - depends how you swing the statistics. If you look at accidents per aircraft flown, terrible. If you look at accidents per 1,000 take-offs, then they were impeccable - average sector time being about 25 minutes. Aloha went bankrupt a couple of years ago, 20 years after their 737 cabriolet. China Airlines (Taiwanese, not mainland Chinese, and one of my airline accounts) and Korean Air had cultural problems. These were linked to the Asian "saving face" mentality inherent in their national cultures - never question the captain, he's the boss. His decision is law and anyway, he'd ignore the copilot and/or flight-engineer. This is not a peculiarly Asian phenomenon. The worst airline disaster in airline history was caused by exactly the same attitude at KLM (Tenerife). Korean Air's problem was solved by a safety audit conducted by Delta. China Airlines' problem was solved by bringing in a lot of western management to impose a new safety regime. I've flown both and never had any concerns.
| Loll wrote: | | If you fly budget you might suspect that things are not checked as thoroughly as we would like. |
And you'd be wrong. As a part of the contracts with the manufacturers, the two big European low costs got Airbus and Boeing to arrange their maintenance. As such, theirs is actually second to none. easyJet have used easyTech, a subsidiary of SRTechincs, itself a subsidiary of Swiss, to do their maintenance.
| Loll wrote: | | The big worry should be collisions near airports, especially with light aircraft, but the biggest worry at the moment is bored or distracted/over tired aircrew. |
For collisions between large aircraft, there's TCAS (anything over 9 seats, I think). For smaller aircraft, they shouldn't be in the TMA so should not becoem conflicting traffic anyway. Over-tired aircrew is probably the single biggest issue right now. There was recently a case of a Hawaiian operator who overlfew their destination by 15 minutes as both cockpit crew fell asleep. The week before last something weird - and similar - happened at Northwest, too.
| Loll wrote: | | Probably too much reliance on automated systems. |
Sorry, Loll, you're going to have to explain that one to me. Are you telling me you'd rather fly on aircraft without automation, even though statistics prove that modern, automated aircraft are inherently safer than their clockwork counterparts?
Accidents are never, ever the result of a single failure - not these days at any rate. It's the so called "swiss cheese" effect that causes accidents - all of the holes line up and the accident happens.
Dan |
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Well I'm going to start my own airline.
And it's going to be called........
Brianair
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| I'm not. BREWSAIR could be construed as a burp, or worse. |
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