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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct 2008 08:42 am 
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Airfix Electric Motor AF1004, "For realistic spinning propellors".

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2cm long, 1.2cm diameter (4cm length including shaft and wire connectors).
Plastic shaft connector 5cm long, 0.5cm diameter, bore approx 1mm diameter.
Metal shaft, 5cm long, just over 1mm diameter with knurling at each end.
Wires, each 24.5cm in length.

Requires 1 AA battery, and a switch (not supplied) to switch on and off - this is not a "spin a prop" type motor, it's on or off. Airfix website tips here.

Packaging is simple with instructions on reverse, includes 1 Flying Hour. Packaging states for use with 1/24 kits, but realistically if you can fit it in, it will work with any kit. RRP UKP 2.99.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct 2008 08:54 am 
Ayup rich...

What would be interesting to know is how it sits inside an 'older' issue of any Superkit. is the motor smaller than the older version, and would it have to be packed into the engine halves with other material so that it didn't move? ...


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Looks as though it should fit in some 1:48ths aswell.

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Looks to be a step backwards from the FROG spin-a-prop of 40 years ago.

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feanor wrote:
Ayup rich...

What would be interesting to know is how it sits inside an 'older' issue of any Superkit. is the motor smaller than the older version, and would it have to be packed into the engine halves with other material so that it didn't move? ...


I've tried it in my 1/24 Spits and Mustang and the conclusion is they're not plug and play. They do not fit the mounts provided in the kit. I've tried modifying the mounts and basically the way the wires join the rear of the motor and the little resistor on the back means it's pretty much impossible. I haven't seen an original motor, but I suspect the wires are attached in the centre of the motor, rather than the edges.

The actual length and diameter of the motor unit is good and fits, but you're going to have to scratchbuild a rear mounting plate.

The main problem is the round hole in the bracket, this will have to be cut out to allow the wires to sit in place. I did try a bit of a mod on the Mustang engine on the right, but you need to extend the hole down which will remove most of the lower part of the bracket. Basically so you have a vertical rectangle rather than a circular hole

The other problem is the locating lugs and holes on the motor. The lugs will need to be shortened to fit the shallow locating holes on the back of the motor (indicated with red arrows).

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If you don't fancy scratchbuilding, I would have though some milliput will sort the problem out. It's not a slot in unit, but I think if you're attempting to add spinning props to a 1/24 kit you're skills should see you through easily  :wink: .

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct 2008 13:05 pm 
Ayup Rich...

UURRRGGGHHH ...  :shock:  :cry:

Thanks for the report. Although as you say, it shouldn't be too bad to get them to fit, you'dve thought that a LITTLE  bit of effort  would have been taken to ensure they DID. after all, if you're trying to get Little Johnny to buy and build with ease, all unnecessary messing about with knives and so on would have been avoided... and at forty quid for a superkit retail, who wants to risk it...

THANKS FOR THE INFO... :thumb:


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I was thinking of giving one a go but it looks like it is more work than I thought

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I wonder whether the new 1/24 Mossie will have suitable mountings  :think:

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I wonder whether the new 1/24 Mossie will have suitable mountings  :think:


Ayup Ratch...

I would seriously hope so. For Airfixes sake.

It would be so easy to 'drop the ball' on this one. with the Mossie being a twin, and the bomb bay/cannon bay BOTH potentially being opened up for display the wiring may NOT be too much of a hassle to route, but where will the switches locate? in the fuselage sides, on the underside of the wings? you can't build a beautiful twin like that and have spaghetti hanging out of it... It will be interesting to see what Trevor, if anything, has to say about it. I'll bet it hasn't been considered at all... I mean, propmotors were MADE for the Superkits after all...

Also on the Mossie, i wouldn't expect a stand option either....


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You could make the switch dependent on the position of the hinge on the door / canopy.

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Where would the battery bay go, if not in a stand?

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Rich,

Is there any chance you could size this motor up against a few 1/72 bits for me.....Typical nacelles/cowlings, the odd single engine kit, that sort of thing?  :?:

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I'm a bit puzzled as to who would buy this new Airfix engine to be honest. It doesn't fit at least one of the kits it's intended for, and why would you pay £3 for an engine that doesn't fit when you could pay 40p to these guys for a perfectly serviceable one that also doesn't fit?

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Sgt.Squarehead wrote:
Rich,

Is there any chance you could size this motor up against a few 1/72 bits for me.....Typical nacelles/cowlings, the odd single engine kit, that sort of thing?  :?:

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I'll have a look tomorrow and get some pictures in daylight.
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Beaufighter wrote:
I'm a bit puzzled as to who would buy this new Airfix engine to be honest. It doesn't fit at least one of the kits it's intended for, and why would you pay £3 for an engine that doesn't fit when you could pay 40p to these guys for a perfectly serviceable one that also doesn't fit?

Err.....Because the Airfix motor is about half the diameter of their smallest offering and is prewired so that even muppets like me can use it!  :idea:

Cheers Rich!  :thumb:

I tried to make some estimates based on the measurements, but it just ain't the same as actually fiddling with the bits.  :roll:  

I'm most interested in the Airfix 1/72 Spitfire Ia, Hurricane I, Bf109E, Ju87B and Lysander.  The MB/Revell 1/72 Halifax would be another likely candidate.  :idea:

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I've had a root through the stash for a fitting session, my conclusions are.

1/24 no problems, just have to make the mounting.

1/32 ditto 1/24.

1/48 scale, it will fit into pretty much anything, single engine and multi, the caveat being there will be some adjusting and mounting arrangements to be done. You'll be able to keep the cockpit in and undercarriage down.

1/72 scale. It won't fit into a single engine with a slim body - so no Spitfire, Hurricane, Me109, Mustang etc. It will be OK in something with a nice fat radial type engine e.g Fw190, Thunderbolt, Typhoon, CAC Boomerang, but you may well lose the cockpit depending on the length of the engine bay.

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1/72 scale multi-engine, yes they will fit if you have a reasonably large cowling and nacelle to work with - not the HS129 for example. Something fat and round is best. It fits the Frog Whitley, Revell Halifax, Airfix Wellington (old) and possibly the Anson. There will be quite a bit of fettling to do (chopping into the wing etc) and in a lot of cases you will have to omit the undercarriage and build it wheels up.

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1/144 scale - time to start taking the pills again!

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Do you think this could fit in the Dapol Windmill ?

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So long as the housing at the rear of the sails is at least 4-5cm long then you would be able to fit it in. I think the rpm rate might be a bit excessive for a windmill though!
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Richard M wrote:
I think the rpm rate might be a bit excessive for a windmill though!
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I dont mind  :lol:

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Richard M wrote:
I think the rpm rate might be a bit excessive for a windmill though!
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I dont mind  :lol:



Maybe he's thinking of using it as a desk fan!

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