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| Loll wrote: | | you get the drift. |
You wanna bet! 
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| Posted: Wed 11 Feb 2009 21:00 pm Post subject: |
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This is the sort of stock that was in use during the war, this example is a Brake coach (a normal coach but with a guards section taking up the l/h end in the picture, usually one to a normal short train) your military train would need about four brake vehicles, which can be brake coaches or Guards brake vans. Those things with little balconies at each end and usually only two axels.
Early trains ( unlike these days) were not fitted with brakes on each vehicle, and relied on Guards Brake Vans , or Coach Brake units. Some coach Brake Units were non-passenger goods only heavy brake units. Modern stock has it's brakes operated by the loco, and is described as fitted or fully fitted (which means brakes).
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Not any more Loll, as unfitted trains were prohibited some years ago and Class 9 was redesignated to Eurostar trains 
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Cheers for the link and the info about brakes, I really didn't know any of that.....Unsurprisingly!
Is a carriage like that available in kit form? 
How many coaches, wagons etc. might a Schools Class be expected to haul? I was planning on using about half the typical number because of all the added weight in armour plate and guns that I intend to festoon the entire train with.
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| Sgt.Squarehead wrote: | | How many coaches, wagons etc. might a Schools Class be expected to haul? |
That would depend on the Route 
You would need to find a Southern Area Loads Book of some description for the time period you require  Sections of track are given a Route Availability rating and this will affect the maximum permissible load for each type of traction
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Aiieee! 
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| Ratch wrote: | | Not any more Loll, as unfitted trains were prohibited some years ago and Class 9 was redesignated to Eurostar trains |
Hi Ratch I think you only half read my post about the brakes, it does say "unlike these days"
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| Posted: Wed 11 Feb 2009 22:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Sgt.Squarehead wrote: | | Aiieee! |
Don't panic, most of it is common sense. Is your train armoured for protection of it's load, or the more likely armoured & armed to deal with the defence of an area perhaps.
I would guess that an armoured coach would weigh around twice the normal so normal sort of loads for a Schools class would be no more than 6 coaches and more likely four. So your armoured train would probably consist of a loco+ tender, 1 or 2 flats with guns and crews and one armoured brake coach, with a couple of two axle open topped wagons 7 plank for ammunition and a Guards van for the extra braking of the ammunition wagons. The ammunition section and it's guards van would be uncoupled and left a distance behind when in action. At least that was what they did in South Africa at the time of the boar war, only with much bigger locos and more wagons.
You could always do a munitions train, Loco + canvas cover over cab and tender, two empty wagons, or two water tanks, then a line of two axel short open 7 plank wagons with sealed (flame proof) canvas covers & /or closed goods vans sometimes painted dull red and marked explosives, then two empty wagons and finally a Guards Van.
Sometimes the two empty wagons were loaded with ballast, they were only there to protect the loco and the guards van, if the train caught fire, as they were prone to do if the parking brakes had been set too tight for a down grade.
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| Sgt.Squarehead wrote: | Cheers for the link and the info about brakes, I really didn't know any of that.....Unsurprisingly!
Is a carriage like that available in kit form? How many coaches, wagons etc. might a Schools Class be expected to haul? I was planning on using about half the typical number because of all the added weight in armour plate and guns that I intend to festoon the entire train with.
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| Posted: Wed 11 Feb 2009 22:26 pm Post subject: |
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I was referring to the fact that Modern Trains are not referred to as fitted or fully fitted
| Loll wrote: | | Modern stock has it's brakes operated by the loco, and is described as fitted or fully fitted (which means brakes). |
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| Posted: Wed 11 Feb 2009 22:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ratch wrote: | I was referring to the fact that Modern Trains are not referred to as fitted or fully fitted
| Loll wrote: | | Modern stock has it's brakes operated by the loco, and is described as fitted or fully fitted (which means brakes). |
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Ah yes I was thinking early and 'modern' steam era
How do they describe this very modern pretty stuff ?
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I've got a Dapol J94 0-6-0 tank and was wondering if it would qualify for the GB.
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I've just searched for it and was chuffed to find that it is a former Airfix kit. It seems the moulds went up in smoke in a fire in 1995 so there probably aren't that many about. Anyway, if this GB goes ahead, I'm in.
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My "Schools Class" has arrived.....It looks quite a good kit.
For what it's worth, all the best
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| TimJ wrote: | | I've just searched for it and was chuffed to find that it is a former Airfix kit. It seems the moulds went up in smoke in a fire in 1995 so there probably aren't that many about. Anyway, if this GB goes ahead, I'm in. |
You've got yourself a gem there, a rare bit of kit - they can fetch quite high prices if you're lucky Any Dapol or Airfix Kits can be built for this GB 
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| I will throw my hat in to the ring with a Dapol British Railways 2.6.0 Mogul - first released by Airfix in 1971. |
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I have been looking at the GB Calendar [which needs updating but I can't do HTML!) and it would seem that any time after the ex-JB build would suit us.
I will set up a start date poll in the new usergroup ASAP! Stu will be GB leader, if you wish that is!
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Ayup Owen...
Thankyou for asking, i will be honoured again so to do...
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