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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jun 2012 13:12 pm 
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Airfix 1/72 Spitfire Mk.22 A02033

Ratch kindly sent this new kit and new tooling for review which will progress shortly.

The inbox review has been undertaken by mosquitoace so I wont replicate the info here unless required.

Mosquito aces in box review can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=291&t=33876.html

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Firtly, on initial inspection of the sprues im a little dissappointed as there is a fair amount of flash on the smaller pieces and less importantly on the main sprues.  The other gripe I have with the recent new tools is the gates, these are huge for smaller pieces and also i feel their mass onto the model is too big as well making sure you really do have to be careful and have sharp side cutters.

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Secondly, the instructions are simple but i question some of the colour call outs such as hu120 for interior green when we have always used hu78. Perhaps Humbrol have a lot of stock left?

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Hu120 ? ......Im no expert but surely that would be too dark  :shrug:
Looks a very nice kit , apart from those big attachment points !
Nice to see 607 County of Durham colours !
Got me  :snack: ready for the show .

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Hu:120 seems like a compromise between 78 and 90, doesn't it?

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Brews:451503 wrote:
Hu:120 seems like a compromise between 78 and 90, doesn't it?


Which is pretty much what Supermarine and its contractors where using, a grey green darker then 90 and lighter than 78, although 120 still looks a tad dark compared with photos that I have seen. In fact if you have access to cockpit references for the period 1939-45 one of the noticeable things is that 78 as cockpit grey green is somewhat mythical.

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I think the Seafire 17 painting instructions got puzzled looks but the Hu90 turned out to be a good match , like I said before Im no expert , I know very little about Spity cockpits but Ive never heard anyone mention Hu120 as an option for painting the cockpit of any Spit.

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Should we wonder just how many models suffer broken parts and get abandoned because these huge sprue gates?   Are airfix trying to kill the hobby off with this nonsense?  Having said that I do have a good pair of side cutters and a lifetimes experience of making these things- and I will keep a good few of these in stock for my stash and my workbench.  Well done to Airfix for releasing it but please Airfix, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!

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Should we wonder just how many models suffer broken parts and get abandoned because these huge sprue gates?


I have to admit that I don't know the consequences of reducing the size of the sprue gates. If they are required as a result of the technology that the moulding company is using to reduce the occurrence of shrinkage (sink marks) and warpage that we suffered with when kits were produced in Trun, then the sprue gates are acceptable IMHO.

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Concur with Brews, I think the gates are as they are for a reason and not just to annoy us modellers. Personally I don't have a problem with them, hold the part to be removed on a firm surface, then use a sharp blade -ideally chisel type - held at 45° and close to the part itself. The gate is actually quite thin and is easily cut leaving minimal clean up. Small parts are a chore, but they can be removed with gentle multiple passes with a sharp blade.

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Just thinking of novices without the tools or experience we have as they are the future of the hobby.

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peebeep:451526 wrote:
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Hu:120 seems like a compromise between 78 and 90, doesn't it?


Which is pretty much what Supermarine and its contractors where using, a grey green darker then 90 and lighter than 78, although 120 still looks a tad dark compared with photos that I have seen. In fact if you have access to cockpit references for the period 1939-45 one of the noticeable things is that 78 as cockpit grey green is somewhat mythical.

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FWIW I always use about 2/3 hu 90 to 1/3 hu 78 for my spitfire cockpits.
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Back to the build.

Removing the main fuselage from the gates isnt a problem as stated its the smaller parts that one needs to be careful with. An experienced modeller will have no problem but smaller hands might.

With the fuselages and other main parts removed I loaded the airbrush ans used Xtracolour interior green.  

The detail on the cockpit walls is very good and I can only have wished that the latter airfix had done the early released of the Spit IX. But we all know that they were in transition and needed stock and market leader aircraft and fast.

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Moving onto the wings, these arent a problem but the usual sanding is required where the pins were.

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Pit parts, I also didnt fint too much of an issues except the main back bulkhead. for some reason this is held on the main sprue with 6 gates if i recall so small nosed side cutters are requried to get in as close as possible. These were sprayed interior green, the armour plate gun metal and the main struts natual steel. Note the ejector pin on the seat.

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Did i mention something about the fit?

On marrying up the fuselage parts they seem tight witht he location pins, so there is a little gap on to of the fuselage. The main issue i had was when marrying up the fuselage to the main wing.  There seems to be some splash mould left over at the lower fuselage root, so this needs to be removed with a scalpel to ensure the wing meets the fuselage.

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Yesterday i detailed the cockpit highlighting the raised detail. Radiators were cemented into place and is a nice fit using the guides on the main wing.

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Moving on to some main assembly. Now this kit seems to suffer from the same issue as the mk.I, enlgarged control panel. Here is the fit prior to alterations.

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To rectify its simple, just sand down around the main CP bulkhead and she fits snugly.

Assembly of the main pit is pretty straight forward but a little attention is required when affixing the floor to the main CP bulkhead as the locating lug is tight. Perhaps cementing prior to painting would help here.

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Once all is dry, affixing the fuselage is easy al;thoug I note the locating pins make it a tight fit, so some compression is required. Here I used some 'H' clamps.

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Whilst that was drying i moved onto the main wing and affixed the identification lamps to the underside using some clearfix.

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After leaving for about an hour I came back to the kit and cemented the fuselage to the wing. The fit is good., thats the good news although there is a slight downside in the fact that where the fuselage meets the wing at the front of the engin, i found that there was daylight, nothing that a little filling wont cure.

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Another good point is that the rear part of the wing fits the fuselage and no holding in place is required, well no clamp.

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Main assembly done, some filling to be carried out with the seam line sanded and the tail planes cemented into place.  You can have the rudder off set slightly, and I always feel that if Airfix are going to the extent of making a separate rudder part surely they can split the elevators from the tail planes to give us modellers a little more.  Saying that a scalpel will sort that out easily.

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Now all the assembly is done except the gun ports, she was ready for her coat of airspeed silver.  For this i chose Tamiya Flat silver.

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As she was in the drying rooms I moved onto the Prop. Its a nicely detailed 5 bladed prop and depicts the reals thing nicely. I airbrushed some metal cote onto the prop ready for buffing later. The gates on the prop are big and you need fine side cutters to get in there or a scalpel.

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Prop buffed and also the spinner was airbrushed to give it a background coat. The prop fits to a backing plate and does have a locating lug for you to ensure its in the right place when cementing to the spinner.

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The spinner and back plate was then sprayed hu60 and cemented in place. The 2mm tips were painted on using hu24.

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Next up the U/C.  There are no real issues here as there are locating logs shaped to fit only one way, so you cant put them inthe wrong holes without being a complete modelling numpty. The tail wheel fits in a recessed hole located in the tail well.  The UC covers fit nicely and its a nice little touch that Airfix have included on the mold a couple of hinges which you can use to cement to the oleo.  This stops the covers from floating or flapping in mid air and keeps them nice and tight.

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That looks great. Pity about the flash though.

These detailed 1/72 scale cockpits are really incredible to someone like me who was brought up on nothing more than a rudimentary SEAT that passed for interior detail :!:

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Looking great,pity my lms hasn't got any yet. :D


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Looking good.  I can now see some areas to be aware of when I get onto mine this coming weekend.    I have the decals .... I am just having to wait a couple more days to get hands on plastic as I am supporting my local shop.


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..good progress...thanks for this, starting mine today

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After airbrushing a coat of klear she is ready for the numerous decals.

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Looking good mate!!,I can't wait for mine to be delivered!!! :D


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Not quite my era, but those wings and a MkXIX fuselage would make a decent looking MkXXI :think:  :Whistling:

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Not quite my era, but those wings and a MkXIX fuselage would make a decent looking MkXXI :think:  :Whistling:

There's a little more to it than that, Ian. In fact, you would just about have to cut the raised rear fuselage off the PR 19 and throw the rest away, or swap the cut-down rear fuselage over to make an FR 18.

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The side views in the rear of the SAM Modellers Datafile, and other information in the book, on Griffon Spits are off then :scratch:

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Ah, you may be right. I was thinking that the 21s had the Spiteful empennage but if the early 22s didn't have it then neither did the 21s, did they?! Or was it a retrofit?

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