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 Post subject: Heinkel He111 options
PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016 16:28 pm 
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Hi Everyone, especially you Luftwaffe experts. I recently got a set of decals for Hornchurch in the Battle of Britain and they look superb! One of the options is for an He 111 P4 which I want to build first. Which would be the best kit as a starting point, the new Airfix P2, the reasonably new Revell/Hasegawa H6 or the old Italeri H6? Also what are the main differences that I would need to take into account to model one of these as a P4? I'm not looking for rivet counter detail but would like to get the main bits right e.g. exhausts, propellers, armament, windows, gondola etc.
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 Post subject: Re: Heinkel He111 help
PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016 17:16 pm 
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The Airfix P2 ~ main difference is the P4 could carry a single bomb under each wing root.
The H series used Jumo engines, so different intakes, exhausts, props, slightly different radiator.
The Airfix P2, being the newest kit is by far the better option.

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 Post subject: Re: Heinkel He111 help
PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016 17:17 pm 
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Big difference between the He111p and the HE111h was the engines- therefore you are best off with the Airfix He111P.

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 Post subject: Re: Heinkel He111 help
PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016 18:50 pm 
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Czartan and Fred - Gentlemen from the heart of my bottom I thank you, very helpful info.
Do you know if there was any difference in the armament carried, ie. More bombs so less machine guns? I have the new Airfix kit so work can commence.


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 Post subject: Re: Heinkel He111 help
PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016 19:18 pm 
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P series same armament. Bombs under wings usually because one or more of the internal bomb bay cells was fitted with an extra fuel tank for greater range. This also meant 1 less crew man.
H series introduced the 20mm cannon in the front of the gondola.

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 Post subject: Re: Heinkel He111 help
PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016 19:49 pm 
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Thanks Fred.


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Gents I must have had a senior moment when I posted the original question. The decal sheet is for an H4, not a P variant so would I be right in saying the the Revell/Hasagawa H6 would be a better kit option?


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As long as it can be built without the torpedo carrying mounts and with bombs under the wing roots.
I built the Revell issue of the old Frog kit which was a H4/H6. I don't know if its the same kit.

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Thanks Fred. I believe the recent Revell boxing is of the reasonably new (and expensive) Hasegawa kit. I will look into it as the Revell boxing is about half the price of the Hasegawa issue, well it was when I was last in my local model shop.
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You may want to leave off the 20mm cannon from the front of the gondola. They were usually only fitted to anti-shipping bombers

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Revell have two He IIIH kits available from their tooling (three if you count the Italeri re-box that appeared for a very short time), the old Frog kit and the much newer Hasegawa re-box. This is the box art for the Hasegawa tooled kit:-

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The reference numbers for the Frog tooling are 0209, 4335 and 04315. The Frog tooled kit also appears in one of the Luftwaffe sets.

Until the appearance of the recent Airfix kits, the Hasegawa effort was probably pick of the crop.

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Going by the artwork it could be built with bombs under the wing roots.
One other difference; some H6 were fitted with a 20mm cannon pointing rearwards in the pointed bit of the fuselage under the rudder. Leave off for a H4

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2016 21:21 pm 
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Thanks chaps, I really appreciate you taking the time and trouble to help with this. I know a bit about the main types of Lufftwaffe aircraft but find all the sub-types (if that's the right word) a little confusing, as you probably gathered.


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