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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2012 02:39 am 
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So many posts in non-airfix military aircraft demonstrate the simple good foundations of the UK FROG and Matchbox kits that I'd like to see them culled out into sub-category...even if it is an Airfix Tribute.  Those too show how the Island Kingdom contributed so much to the broad range of sconstant scale modeling.


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We did look at the galleries before, but with phpbb2 there are a limited number of splits into sub-foums and sections which can be made and there are so many other kit manufacturers....

Once we have phpbb3 running and have worked with it for a bit I'm sure the admin and mod team will be looking at how we can implement its features to improve the running of the forum.

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Sorry, but it's not going to happen for three reasons.

First, in the new version we are stuck with the sub-forum system we have at the moment.

Second, for each manufacturer we give a special gallery section that means 9 additional forum. So, even if we added only 2 manufacturers that is 18 extra forum. Then no doubt other people will make a claim for their favourite manufacturers to get their own gallery section as well.

Thirdly, and most importantly, it is the Airfix Tribute Forum after all and the main focus is on Airfix kits and has been for almost seven years. And it's not as if other manufacturer's models have been excluded from being shown on here. In fact, we have been rather accommodating of other manufacturers in the circumstances. :wink:

As it happens, on the new system you can list the Picture Gallery posts according to subject title. Not perfect but at least using our naming standards it is an easy way to browse by manufacturer and see all of one manufacturer's kits in one place within each type of subject gallery.

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Might be found a silly question and it's NOT an attempt at overloading hard-working mods but:
Would it be possible to rename the KP - Kopro - KP/Kopro threads? or make a notice on thread naming standards?
It would slightly limit the number of threads in the forum as well as giving better hits when using the search function.

As with the FROG/NOVO/Frogski threads its actually two different names for the identical plastic though in this regard also the same compagny under two names and with changing product no's!
At least some members have tried covering both names in the thread name i.e. KP/Kopro

Still its a minor nuisance but it would help KP/Kopro kit builders when putting their finished model into the right Gallery in the appropriate thread.

I've done a run through of the Non-Airfix Aircraft Pics Military/-Civil which shows these kits being named under the three abovementioned thread names with differing product codes of course. :wink:

Those identical kits showing up in different threads are:
KP La7 (No6) and KP La7 (06)
KP Yak 23 (J72031) and KP/Kopro Yak 23 (J72031) as well as KP Yak-23 (18) in the -Civil gallery
KP MB 200 (21) - Kopro MB 200 (21) and Kopro (021)
KP MiG 15 (J72041) and KP MiG 15 (12)
KP L 39 (KPC-001) and KP L 39 (J72021)

Those showing in one thread are:
KP Po 2 (3171)
KP Su 25 (J72091)
KP MiG 17PF (J72061)
KP MiG 19 (4)
Kopro Spitfire Mk IXc (3172)
KP Su 7 (J72101)
KP Mil Mi 4 (H72011)
KP C-2 (P72152)
KP MiG 15UTI (13)
KP B35 (P72171/8)
KP Piper Cub (72131)
KP MiG 17PF (7)
KP B33 (3)
KP/Kopro A 100 (3155)
KP/Kopro MiG 21PF (3107)
KP D1 (29)
KP G-12/CS-199 (P72141)
KP C-3A (9)
KP L 29 (J72011)
KP Mi8/Mi17 (KP3162)
KP S16 (P72091)
KP Letov 328 (72111)
KP S 231* (no product code; would be according to KP Models homepage P72101)
Kopro Spitfire F VIII (F-05)
Kopro Su 22 (4128)
Kopro Spitfire Mk XVIe (3161)
Kopro Siebel Si 204A (3157)
KP B 534 (J72021)
KP B 21 (P72161)
KP BH 3 (22)
KP La 5FN (24)
Kopro Spitfire Mk VII (3173)

Current product codes can be found at KP Models homepage (till they change codes or manufacturer name :shrug: )

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Hi Carsten, if you provide links we can merge the threads that are duplicated :idea:
As for the naming of manufacturers, were all Frog kits re-issued by Novo (and likewise other manufacturers) :scratch: We're not all experts here and need indicators as to the best way to do things :help: It would be of assistance if folks would make a post in the threads that need changing with the changes that need to be made :wink:

I am currently adding the aircraft manufacturer where the posters have omitted them. I for one don't know who made an F-55 (and F-55 doesn't work in our search function, but Grumman for example will) :roll:

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When I first joined this forum I didn't see the wisdom of the founding fathers in organizing the forum the way it is. But, with time, I came to appreciate the greatness of the original idea. If KP is KOPRO, etc. then a gentle nudge will awaken the slumbering giant and lead to mergers.

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Being described as the founding father makes me sound (and feel) rather old! :santa:

We do try to intercept those posts where people use a wrong or truncated name for a manufacturer and merge where appropriate. It might be a good idea to have a non-Airfix model manufacturer directory listing as a sticky in the various non-Airfix picture galleries. This listing could show the "approved name" with the variations in brackets after the name.

As sure as eggs are eggs, I am sure that some people will still "do their own thing" - as some always do. That is not a good enough reason to not create the directory listing though!

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As sure as eggs are eggs, I am sure that some people will still "do their own thing" - as some always do.

They frequently do Dave :hithead:

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Dec 2013 10:23 am 
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Ratch wrote:
Hi Carsten, if you provide links we can merge the threads that are duplicated :idea:
As for the naming of manufacturers, were all Frog kits re-issued by Novo (and likewise other manufacturers) :scratch: We're not all experts here and need indicators as to the best way to do things :help: It would be of assistance if folks would make a post in the threads that need changing with the changes that need to be made :wink:

I am currently adding the aircraft manufacturer where the posters have omitted them. I for one don't know who made an F-55 (and F-55 doesn't work in our search function, but Grumman for example will) :roll:


Cheers Ratch

Here's the list I dug up with thread links:
KP La7 (No6) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=23028 and KP La7 (06) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=25379
KP Yak 23 (J72031) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=12245 - KP/Kopro Yak 23 (J72031) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=24307 as well as KP Yak-23 (18) in the -Civil gallery
KP MB 200 (21) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=33561 - Kopro MB 200 (21) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=40601 and Kopro (021) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=22992
KP MiG 15 (J72041) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=5007 and KP MiG 15 (12) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=30406
KP L 39 (KPC-001) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=13561 and KP L 39 (J72021) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9672

I'm no expert in this field either but finding more than one thread with the MB-200 besides the one I posted my own build in made me go excavating! :nod:

Feel free to use my diggings on the site for a directory

KP Lavochkin La 7 (P72051/6) KP La7 (No6) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=23028 and KP La7 (06) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=25379

KP Yakovlev Yak 23 (J72031) KP Yak 23 (J72031) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=12245 - KP/Kopro Yak 23 (J72031) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=24307 as well as KP Yak-23 (18) in the -Civil gallery

KP Aero MB 200 (P72061/21/021) KP MB 200 (21) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=33561 - Kopro MB 200 (21) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=40601 and Kopro (021) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=22992

KP Polikarpov Po 2 (3171/P72011) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=4978&hilit=3171

KP Sukhoi Su 25 (J72091) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9683&hilit=j72091

KP Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 17PF (J72061) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=8476&hilit=j72061

KP Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 19 (4/J72071) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=12042

Kopro Supermarine Spitfire Mk IXc (3172/P72123) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=4621&hilit=3172

KP Sukhoi Su 7 (J72101) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9402&hilit=j72101

KP Mil Mi 4 (H72011) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=5178&hilit=h72011

KP Avia C-2 (P72152) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=16760&hilit=p72152

KP Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 15 (J72041/12) KP MiG 15 (J72041) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=5007 and KP MiG 15 (12) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=30406

KP Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 15UTI (13/J72051) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9909

KP Avia B35 (P72171/8) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=32461

KP Piper Cub (72131) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=38324

KP Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 17PF (7/J72061) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=20814

KP Avia B33/Ilyushin IL-10 (3/P72211) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=33970

KP/Kopro Aero A 100 (3155/P72201) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=12396

KP/Kopro Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 21PF (3107) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=12510

KP Aero L 39 Albatros (KPC-001/J72021) KP L 39 (KPC-001) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=13561 and KP L 39 (J72021) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9672

KP Skoda D1 (29/P72081) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9655

KP Avia G-12/CS-199 (P72141) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9061

KP Aero C-3A (9/P72033) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=10255

KP Aero L 29 Delfin (J72011) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=30417

KP Mil Mi8/Mi17 (KP3162/H72021) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=8411

KP Letov S16 (P72091) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9631

KP Letov 328 (72111/P72111) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=27676

KP Letov S 231* (P72101) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=22478

KP/Kopro Supermarine Spitfire F VIII (F-05/P72122) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=13210

Kopro Sukhoi Su 22 (4128) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=12788

KP/Kopro Supermarine Spitfire Mk XVIe (3161/P72126) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=11752

KP/Kopro Siebel Si 204A (3157/P72031) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=11309

KP Avia B 534 (J72021/P72181) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9579

KP Avia B 21 (P72161) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=6652

KP Avia BH 3 (22/P72191) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=9360

KP Lavochkin La 5FN (24/P72041) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=7646

Kopro Supermarine Spitfire Mk VII (3173/P72121) viewtopic.php?f=172&t=7793

For the rest I'd refer to the KP homepage catalogue http://www.kp-models.com/catalogue/

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575 wrote:
Feel free to use my diggings on the site for a directory

KP La 7 (P72051/6)
KP Yak 23 (J72031)
KP MB 200 (P72061/21/021)
KP Po 2 (3171/P72011)
KP Su 25 (J72091)
KP MiG 17PF (J72061)
KP MiG 19 (4/J72071)
Kopro Spitfire Mk IXc (3172/P72123)
KP Su 7 (J72101)
KP Mil Mi 4 (H72011)
KP C-2 (P72152)
KP MiG 15 (J72041/12)
KP MiG 15UTI (13/J72051)
KP B35 (P72171/8)
KP Piper Cub (72131)
KP MiG 17PF (7/J72061)
KP B33/IL-10 (3/P72211)
KP/Kopro A 100 (3155/P72201)
KP/Kopro MiG 21PF (3107)
KP L 39 (KPC-001/J72021)
KP D1 (29/P72081)
KP G-12/CS-199 (P72141)
KP C-3A (9/P72033)
KP L 29 (J72011)
KP Mi8/Mi17 (KP3162/H72021)
KP S16 (P72091)
KP Letov 328 (72111/P72111)
KP S 231* (P72101)
KP/Kopro Spitfire F VIII (F-05/P72122)
Kopro Su 22 (4128)
KP/Kopro Spitfire Mk XVIe (3161/P72126)
KP/Kopro Siebel Si 204A (3157/P72031)
KP B 534 (J72021/P72181)
KP B 21 (P72161)
KP BH 3 (22/P72191)
KP La 5FN (24/P72041)
Kopro Spitfire Mk VII (3173/P72121)

Those titles are next to useless :!:
Who made the S 231, the B 534, the D1 etc etc etc :hithead:

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Ratch wrote:
Those titles are next to useless :!:
Who made the S 231, the B 534, the D1 etc etc etc :hithead:


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They don't ring a bell and I spent six months a few moons ago merging and updating the threads/topics in non-airfix galleries :fear:


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I don't think many of those KP/Kopro kits have threads yet.
I think we should just continue as in the past; if one comes across a duplicated thread then one should just PM an admin and suggest the merger. :smt024:
Far less work for the mods; they don't have to go hunting for threads that may not exist, just respond to PMs suggesting the changes.
Chase, Goose, wild, words come to mind, :wink:

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Ratch wrote:
As for the naming of manufacturers, were all Frog kits re-issued by Novo (and likewise other manufacturers) :scratch:


To answer your question: no. German subjects (or at least WW2 German subjects -- I don't know about post-war subjects) did not go to Russia; they ended up going to Revell (hence you get Revell/FROG Do 335, Ta-152, etc.).

There are other exceptions too; for instance, I'm not aware of a Novo F-104 Starfighter -- but then I don't think FROG ever had the moulds for those, I imagine that Hasegawa kept them in Japan. Presumably other shared moulds were likewise kept with Hasegawa (although in the case of the Harrier, apparently FROG had their own copy of those moulds, which did go to Novo).

There's probably not much in the way of hard-and-fast rules. You'd need an explicit list, I think. I don't know if anyone has ever done one.

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Ratch wrote:
Do we have threads for them :shrug:


Oops; we do - have updated list with thread links. :oops:

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Found two threads for the PM 1/72 Fokker D.XXI: PM-201 http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=8392 and PM60201 http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=30647 Cheers.

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