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 Post subject: RAF Desert scheme
PostPosted: Sun 01 Jul 2012 20:01 pm 
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Hi. Yesterday I got a PM Spitfire Tropical. I have never painted the RAF Desert or North Africa etc. scheme before and cant seem to find out what paints are needed. Im sorry if this topic has already been covered, but i cant find it. If you have any information or assisstance, please tell me in HUMBROL COLOURS. Many thanks, Jack

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Dark Earth no 29, Middle Stone no 84 and Azure Blue no 157 - but I think that blue is way too dark and I use Sea Blue no 47.

The camo pattern is the same as the earth/green of a Spitfire.

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Thank you for the help freddo

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Hi mate,I used hu29,hu93 and hu157(lightened up with hu34) on my tomahawk.


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thanks alex

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would hu 65 work for the underside

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I am finishing the Pioneer Spitfire Vc as an Egyptian AF version.

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                      29 Dark Earth
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                      22 White (for spinner and fuselage band)
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                      2048 RAF Azure Blue

I have a tinlet of Humbrol 47 Sea Blue which looks close to Azure Blue (to me anyway) but its a gloss......

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twotterdriver: is middle stone 225 or 84 because you and fred have given the same paint name but with different numbers :help:

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ModelMasterJD:453939 wrote:
would hu 65 work for the underside


I think 65 is too pale. Have you got another, maybe darker blue? You could mix a bit of it into the 65 ?


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The blues i have are 65,14 and 79

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ModelMasterJD:453976 wrote:
twotterdriver: is middle stone 225 or 84 because you and fred have given the same paint name but with different numbers :help:


Humbrol have two 'Middle Stone' ! 84 they call 'Mid Stone' - 225 they call 'Middle Stone'. As I understand it 225 is a bit lighter than 84.


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ModelMasterJD:453978 wrote:
The blues i have are 65,14 and 79


Personally, I'd mix some 14 into some 65, to get a darker than 65 blue. It shouldn't take too much. You'll end up with a semi-gloss, just right for decals, then you can dull it with matt varnish. Or just leave it as it is. If you haven't any matt varnish, rubbing the paint down with toothpaste or 'Brasso' dulls it down.


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I used 84 Mid Stone first, didn't like it so I then covered it with 225 Middle Stone.

To me, 84 MID Stone looks like it has a green hue...

225 Middle Stone is much more 'yellow'. And it was recommended in another thread by someone on the forum for desert colours.....

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thanks for all the help guys.

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For Azure Blue, try a 5:1 mix of  Hu34 to Hu25 or 14. If you really want the violet tinge that the MAP matched chips show. Use 20 drops of 34 to 3 drops of 14 to 1 drop of 68 (purple) its as near as I've seen other than the Phoenix Precision paints Azure Blue which is spot on.
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 Post subject: Re: RAF Desert scheme
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Did the pattern follow the A scheme for fighters :?:

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Ratch wrote:
Did the pattern follow the A scheme for fighters
For the likes of Spitfires and Hurricane it was usual, except for a few early Hurricanes and P40s in B Scheme which were sent to North Africa early on.

Mind your scheme tho.
Originally the scheme was Green and Stone, thats why is was called 'sand and spinach', with the Stone being painted over the Dark Earth. This shows as a darker tone through the cockpit area on old photos.
These are usually machines painted in theatre by the local MU.

Then it was changed to Dark Earth and Mid-Stone, so Stone was painted where the green would be, and what had just previously been Stone went back to Earth. This shows on old photos as the lighter colour going through the cockpit area. Often these were new machines painted at the factory.
The pattern is still A scheme but the colours are reversed to the others. ~ eg. port wing root, A scheme: green, 'sand & spinach' = still green, Earth & Mid-Stone = Mid-Stone

I think I've got it sorted.

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 Post subject: Re: RAF Desert scheme
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Thanks Fred. I'm not sure if I'm doing a 'new' aircraft or a repainted one :scratch: It was 152 Sqn preparing for deployment to North Africa in the autumn of 1942 :think:

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The change came in AMO A926/40 (12 December 1940), so your aeroplane could be A scheme, Mid-Stone instead of Dark Green, Dark Earth over Azure Blue, and possibly a red spinner.
They were probably either supplied with new machines, or had their old ones repainted by their own MU to AMO instructions. This would take time as machines were taken out of line to be done, so a mix or European and N.A. schemes might be seen on the station. Also, afaihr, the painting could have been done on the ships, depends if they were crated or on an aircraft carrier.

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 Post subject: Re: RAF Desert scheme
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Humbrol 225 Middle Stone is correct for tropical scheme aircraft. The newest tins of 157 Azure Blue is very accurate now so there is no need to mix. This colour has a slight violet tinge which is correct, The RAF museum book swatch has that too. H29 is not quite right, not yellow and ginger enough but will do for M.E. scheme. Spitfires in 1942 were painted in the A pattern since handed patterns were discontinued in 1941. So as factory or ASU finished for overseas Dark Earth as on the drawing, Mid Stone in lieu of Dark Green, under surfaces Azure Blue.

Tomahawks to M.E. were finished in the DuPont equivalents of RAF day fighter scheme and repainted in theatre on arrival. The DuPont colours are not matches to the RAF colours. Mid 1941 Tomahawks had DuPont Dark Earth and RAF Mid Stone with mixed blue underneath since MAP Azure Blue had not then been developed. Mixed blue was close to Light Mediterranean Blue which was used in M.E. in 1938-40 but limited stocks for overwater aircraft.


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