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PostPosted: Mon 01 Sep 2014 16:36 pm 
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I know that Humbrol Railway colours include 411 Diesel Blue, which I assume is the so called Rail Blue used on the Deltics. But as I don't want to use an acrylic paint, does anyone know the nearest match for this among the enamel blues.


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PostPosted: Mon 01 Sep 2014 17:42 pm 
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I think you're right that the production Deltics (Class 55s) were repainted into standard Rail Blue when they ceased to be green. This is available as enamel (in both 'new' and 'faded' shades) from both Railmatch (207 new, 451 faded) and Phoenix precision (P132 new, P132W faded) if you can't get a Humbrol match.

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Sep 2014 19:05 pm 
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Thanks Dodger, you're a top man. :clap:


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I have changed the title as the question may answer the queries of others about any BR Locomotive and not just Deltics :idea:

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Sep 2014 10:08 am 
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Now that my Dapol Deltic kit has arrived I find it is not what I was expecting. Rather than a Class 55 it is, in fact the, DP1 prototype.

Although it is still blue, it raises the question as to wether it is the stadard BR Rail Blue of the later production models, or some other shade which EE painted it ? It looks lighter, but then every photo I look at looks a different shade.

Any information on the colour scheme of the DP1 would be much appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Sep 2014 11:09 am 
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The Deltic Prototype was definitely not Rail Blue (it predated it by quite a while, although some people believe it led to the adoption of a blue livery for the Br diesel fleet). Fortunately, the paint manufacturers recognise the popularity of DP1 and cater specifically for it. The colour is P110 in the Phoenix range and 317 in Railmatch - again, I'm afraid I can't help much with a Humbrol match, as my colour vision isn't precise enough.

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I used 109 WW1 Blue :arrow:
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Sep 2014 13:48 pm 
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I have since found a copy of a Science Museum letter giving colour details of the actual DP1.

The blue is ICI Dulux Coach Finish French Blue. Ref P339-466 Batch no. 2/505/25.

There is also a swatch of this paint. Humbrol do a French Blue, 104, but this looks too blue. WW1 Blue, 109, does indeed look pretty close.

By the way Ratch how did you know the seats are red ? I'm impressed.


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I can't remember whether it was on the paint guide or if I researched - it was 7 years ago :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep 2014 14:49 pm 
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pbcoleman wrote:
WW1 Blue, 109, does indeed look pretty close.


I think that justifies me not making 'unlabelled' recommendations based on my poor colour vision/recollection - having just checked my stock of 109 it doesn't seem anything like 'chalky' enough for how I (very dimly) remember DP1 when she was in service, or (somewhat more clearly) when she was at Kensington. I have to admit, though, it does look pretty close to photos of her now she is at Shildon (on my uncalibrated iMac screen, at least).

Incidentally, Fox transfers do a replacement lining and stainless steel plates set, which is much better than the originals provided by Dapol - but also considerably more expensive than the kit! The current 'discounted' price for the transfers & plates together is £18.50, while the plates alone (works of miniature art that do add considerably to the look of the finished model) are £9.65. I'm so glad I bought mine when they first came out, for around a fiver - although that was a fair few years ago, and if I chose to work it through the GDP deflator I'd probably find I paid over the odds at that.

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That sounds interesting, but I can't find it on the Fox site. :( Is there a reference number or something you could point me towards please. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2014 11:24 am 
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Yep, the Fox site is extremely irritating, even more difficult than their 'everlasting' paper catalogue used to be.

The nameplates are here
and the combined set is here

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