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PostPosted: Thu 03 Sep 2009 19:12 pm 
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i,ve just started painting airfix 1,72 soldiers but allot of airfix do not state what colours to use on certain soldiers is there a catologue or booklet what colour codes are needed for certain soldiers as it is quite frustrating at the moment ,i would be most grateful for any help cheers ,warren


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Hi Warren, which soldiers do you require info on  :?:
I have a few lists  :wink:

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second world war paras ,marine commandos and german infantry that opposed d day cheers for help


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British Paratrooper, Private, 1st Airborne Division, Arnhem September 1944, Army Uniforms of World War 2 168
Hu: 61 Matt Flesh / Hu: 74 Matt Linen / Hu: 186 Matt Brown = skin tones
Hu: 102 Matt Army Green = helmet, scarf, Denison smock
Hu: 70 Matt Brick Red = camouflage pattern on Denison smock
Hu: 90 Matt Beige Green = camouflage pattern on Denison smock
Hu: 26 Matt Khaki = trousers
Hu: 93 Matt Desert Yellow = webbing, anklets
Hu: 33 Matt Black = boots
Hu: 54 Metallic Brass = metal parts
Hu: 34 Matt White = ropes, rank insignia
Hu: 186 Matt Brown = wooden parts
Hu: 73 Matt Wine Red = beret
German Army, Private, 1944, The Armed Forces of World War II – Illustration 295
Hu: 61 Matt Flesh / Hu: 74 Matt Linen / Hu: 186 Matt Brown = skin tones
Hu: 32 Matt Dark Grey = helmet
Hu: 196 Satin Light Grey = collar patches
Hu: 21 Gloss Black = belts, Y straps, cartridge pouches, boots
Hu: 102 Matt Army Green = grenade, anklets, gas cape
Hu: 98 Matt Chocolate = field flask
Hu: 31 Matt Slate Grey = tunic, trousers
Hu: 186 Matt Brown = boots, wooden items
Hu: 11 Metallic Silver Fox = cook pot, buckles
Hu: 91 Matt Black Green = gas mask case
Hu: 103 Matt Cream = bread bag
Hu: 30 Matt Dark Green = Zeltbahn (cape)
Hu: 70 Matt Brick Red = camouflage pattern on Zeltbahn (cape)
Hu: 90 Matt Beige Green = camouflage pattern on Zeltbahn (cape)
Hu: 93 Matt Desert Yellow = canvas straps
Hu: 34 Matt White = Waffenfarbe
Commandos won't be far off  :arrow:
Hu: 102 Matt Army Green = helmet
Hu: 26 Matt Khaki = blouse, trousers
Hu: 93 Matt Desert Yellow = webbing, anklets
Hu: 33 Matt Black = boots
Hu: 98 Matt Chocolate = water bottle
Hu: 54 Metallic Brass = buckles, cap insignia
Hu: 66 Matt Drab Olive = ground sheet
Hu: 186 Matt Brown = wooden parts
Hu: 60 Matt Scarlet = arm of service

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yikes with a lists that long there's not enough room on the box!

bet you wished you hadn't asked now Wozzi :lol:

what are they for are you doing a diorama please?


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my god all this for 1,72 ,but thanks for all the help its really appreciated take care wozzi


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our Ratch is nothing if not thorough :lol:


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... or maybe guilty of perpetuating a myth ... boots on German soldiers would only be "gloss black" in parade conditions. Otherwise one should go for the more sensible "matt dark grey", especially in 1:72.

Also note that Waffenfarbe white is basic infantry only for Heer, Luftwaffe and Waffen-SS, a Jäger unit would have light green etc.pp.

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Did I make this up or did I read somewhere that all-grey German uniforms are a Hollywood costumier's myth? I.e. they were actually a range of shades but commonly greenish and the tunics and trousers didn't match?

boots on German soldiers would only be "gloss black" in parade conditions

If even then! Gloss black in 1/72 would mean they were wearing patent leather. German uniforms were sharp, but not that sharp...

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Hiya again,

Beaufighter wrote:
Did I make this up or did I read somewhere that all-grey German uniforms are a Hollywood costumier's myth? I.e. they were actually a range of shades but commonly greenish and the tunics and trousers didn't match?


Yes and no - the official colour was Feldgrau (field grey), but this was not grey but a green hue instead. It, however, degraded over time and became ever greyer. So in an ideal world the 1939 soldier with newly issued factory fresh uniform would have been marching into Poland in a greenish jacket (as to the grey trousers see below), while the 1945 soldier busily retreating on all fronts would be as grey as they come (dust helps too). Cue all shades and variations in-between.

I personally would always go for the greener variety for purely aesthetical reasons and from a wargamer's pov - if you are into dioramas, mix ... and if you want to portray a specific unit in a larger scale you might want to find out the exact gear issued and worn. The Airfix figures are quite comfortable in a 1941 Barbarossa setting, less so in a late war context.

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German uniforms were sharp, but not that sharp...


Ah, but .. a liberal application of glossy stuff helped on parade!

As to German uniforms being sharp ... well, if you are dressed by Hugo Boss ...

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As far as I know, until early 1940 German Army trousers were stone grey rather than field grey which accounts for the non-matching jacket and trousers. They then went over to field grey which (in theory) would match the jacket.


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realthing wrote:
As far as I know, until early 1940 German Army trousers were stone grey rather than field grey which accounts for the non-matching jacket and trousers. They then went over to field grey which (in theory) would match the jacket.


Yep -

M36 pattern grey
M40 pattern fieldgrey
M43 pattern fieldgrey (but less straight)

Note that these are production and first issue dates, some stuff lasted really long.

Jackets also changed in 1940 - M36 were fieldgrey with a dark collar, M40 were same colour all over. But take note that M36 jackets were still issued in 1945 ...

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Ah, but .. a liberal application of glossy stuff helped on parade!


The Wehrmacht varnished their boots in Klear!?  :shock: :lol:


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The Wehrmacht varnished their boots in Klear!?  :shock: :lol:
Back then it was still called Futurrrre, with a lot of rolling r's. The decals from the places visited had better adhesion, then...


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Actually this is not strictly correct. Until 1941 German troops varnished their boots in a product called Zukunft which was imported from the USA and repopped by RoG.

Following the outbreak of hostilities with Uncle Sam, the availability of Zukunft dwindled. German soldiers became increasingly scruffy until petrochemists managed to make synthetic Zukunft, which they called Klar, out of captured dumps of French army hair lacquer.

It arrived too late for the Panzer divisions, which had run out of H27 in 1944 and were reduced to painting their tanks in H83, even though the Sennelager branch of the IPMS insisted this was the wrong colour after taking the 1/1 scale into account...

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On a (slightly!) more serious note, what period do the 1/32 poly Airfix Germans best match?

Basic German infantry

Mountain troops

Paratroops

I am guessing that the homegeneity of the kit, the lack of any late-war kit (no MP43s, MG42s, Panzerfausts etc), and the fact that they're copies of the 1/76 set means, as Bernd says, they're pre-41?

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Beaufighter wrote:
I am guessing that the homegeneity of the kit, the lack of any late-war kit (no MP43s, MG42s, Panzerfausts etc), and the fact that they're copies of the 1/76 set means, as Bernd says, they're pre-41?


As to the infantry - the 1:76 figures were copies of the 1:32 set, not vice versa. There is an older Airfix German Infantry set that had more esoteric weapons and is more "end of war" overall (but, I hasten to add, total mess). The current figure are most comfortable around 1941, but could be used for anything from 1939 to 1945 (not those with the MPi40, obviously).

The Mountain Troops are a difficult bunch - the cap looks like the M43 pattern, but could be the older one as well. the peak being the difference. These would thus be OK for anything from Norway to the Caucasus.

The Paratroopers are, again, common-and-garden with no special pointers towards definite theatre or period, could be used as Crete or Monte Cassino types or even as SS-Fallschirmjäger. Note that some are using the MPi40, so again no 1939 scenario with those, please.

In all sets the machine guns would be the dead give-away - but fortunately Airfix never really made their mind up whether to do a proper MG42 or a generic type. So ...

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