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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 17:33 pm 
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Hi all
I have a question to ask You .
I'd like to do a Vickers Mk II Medium tank abandoned and captured by Axis troops in Egypt in Mersa Matruh ( I suppose between september 1940 and first months in 1941) .
I found only these two photos.

http://i68.tinypic.com/35icgtg.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/5wguh0.jpg

I'm not an expert about this tank and the photos quality is not the best, I think it's a Vickers Mk II medium tank and the right version should be a kit that it isn't yet relesead from HobbyBoss (scale 1:35 and code number should be 83881).

I kindly ask you if you know how was the camouflage of this tank?
Was it completely painted in Olive drab? ..or it was overprinted in sand yellow?

It seems to be Olive drab on upper surface and sand yellow on the lower.

I need your help :welcome:

Many thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 19:34 pm 
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It is a Vickers Mk II Medium Tank. The only Vickers at Mersa Matruh were dug in as a pill boxes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BNcO91_MMO0/U ... ers-10.jpg
The one in the pics is one that burnt out and abandoned on the siwa track going to Mersa Matruh
http://tankarchives.blogspot.de/2016/12 ... liver.html
For colour schemes ??
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/g ... I-MkII.php

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 20:28 pm 
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Hi Paul !
GREAT ! Many thanks! Wow...so it was abandoned 'cause burned, not Hit by Germans! Many thanks...I thought it was Knocked out by an hit. For Colour scheme..many thanks for your link! Yes...I know that site! My doubts are about the colour camouflage of the burned Vickers (showed in the photo). Was it completely Olive Drab? It seems to have a lighter color at the bottom, what do you think about it? Many thanks again Paul for you kind help!!!
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P.S. I don't know if what I'm writing it's in a decent English. Please Let me know if I write something unintelligible.


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 21:34 pm 
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The lighter colour could be due to dust ?

As for your english...it´s very good :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :notworthy:

ps..so are your modelling skills :)

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 22:13 pm 
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:clapping: Thanks Paul!!! Too good ! happy what I'm writing is intelligible ! :D
About my question...yes...may be dust ! I was thinking it should be sand colour...but I think You're right! So...entire tank painted in Olive Drab...with 'hard' weathered finish (dust, lightened by the sun and wind...)! Many thanks for your precious help! Hi !
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 22:36 pm 
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rawhide wrote:
not Hit by Germans!
Hit by Italians, maybe, but no Germans in the vicinity.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016 22:56 pm 
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Hi thanks for your corrections! Excuse for my ignorance! :( Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec 2016 14:41 pm 
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This Medium was, as stated, burned out after brake linings caught fire en route to Siwa. A common occurrence by most accounts. It's previous users were 6th Batt. R.T.C. from 1932 till late 1939 when they were replaced by A9 cruisers. The original scheme had been Cream basic with a Red Oxide disruptive pattern applied in 1937 and maintained till disposal when, after some repair and repaint, the tanks were sold to Egypt. After Italy declared war in June 1940 those runners in the Egyptian Army were requisitioned and dispersed to various locations for defence purposes. This tank is one of those. Therefore it's colour would likely have been Middle Stone No.62 which was by 1939 was the basic British vehicle colour. If anyone wishes to depict the 1937 scheme, then mail me at mikestarmer18 at gmail dot com for the pattern. This was published in both Tankette and Military Modelling some years ago.


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec 2016 19:09 pm 
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Mike
many thanks for your explanation!!!
Very useful !!!
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec 2016 23:12 pm 
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The usual UK desert scheme in period would be 8th Army desert yellow up to about the track guards, or the forward point of the bow, and a mix green olive drab and a blue "light stone" on some but not all of the upper surfaces. I don't have a specific scheme for a Vickers mkII though.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec 2016 10:09 am 
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Many thanks You too!
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2016 08:20 am 
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Paws4, I believe that you are misquoting a reference to the Caunter patterning. In that scheme light blue and green were not used. The colours on these Mediums pre-dated that scheme. The cream/red oxide scheme was applied for King George's coronation review in May of 1937 of which I hold photographs. That pattern was maintained until disposal, again I have dated photographs and participant statement of the unit during exercises in 1938-39. The colours appear to have changed by then as MEGO. 13 of 1938 and again MEGO. 370 of July 1939 specified a basic colour of Middle Stone No.62 with Dark Sand as the disrupter. 6th RTC would have complied.

The Caunter patterning was trialed in March-April 1940 using 'sand, green and black' and almost immediately adopted but with changed colours. This was ratified by MEGO.279 November 1940 using Light Stone No.61 as the basic colour with disruptive stripes of Silver Grey No.28 (a pastel green shade) and Slate No.34 (dark green-grey) and issued diagrams for the application for the scheme. There was no such colour as '8th army desert yellow', that is a marketing term from Humbrol, and that colour is NOT the correct colour anyway. If you want Light Stone 61 then a mix of 8 parts H74 + 1 part H26 will give you what was called 'desert yellow' by the troops.


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2016 17:22 pm 
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Thank you, sir!

(There are a few serious researchers out there who tirelessly search for the truth, and Mr. Starmer is one of them. Notice the way he lists his sources and omits any tedious, arcane technical jargon. It seems we have a few Gandalfs on our side, as there are more than a few Saurons running about...)

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Dec 2016 09:19 am 
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Thank you very much Dancho, much appreciated. One tries one's best. BTW the Caunter pattern drawings covered 8 classes of vehicles then in service, including a motorcycle.


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