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 Post subject: Hu 170 Brown Bess
PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016 07:48 am 
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I actually have one tin of MC6 (which later became Hu 170, before being deleted by Humbrol - who knows why when they have so few browns that are of any use - but I digress...) which is starting to pong a bit, suggesting it is on the 'turn'. I have been scouring various on-line paint charts and conversion sites looking for an equivalent with little result. So, can anybody recommend (from their own experience) a good substitute for Hu 170 from any manufacturer that is preferably a) matt and b) enamel OR a satisfactory colour mix from Humbrols or anything else?
TIA for any help...
P.S. one suggestion I did find was to mix Hu 29 with Hu 33 but IMO that ended up looking more like the despised Hu 98 Chocolate.


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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016 09:33 am 
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My paint chart has equivalents as :arrow:
    Vallejo Model Color 70871 147 Leather Brown
    Humbrol 170 Brown Bess
    Revell Aqua 36146 Matt NATO Olive
I can't vouch for any of these :dummy:
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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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I use Hu 160 as a compromise, but I echo your despair at the lack of good dark browns from Humbrol. You would always use gloss 10 and then give it a matt coat, but that adds to the workload!

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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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I should add I don't have any 170 to compare with - but judging by the fact that it was called Brown Bess, I'm guessing it was a deep brown suitable for painting rifles, which is what I'm now using 160 for.

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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2016 13:37 pm 
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@Ratch,

I think at least one of those equivalents, the Revell colour, goes to the complicating factor that there have been two different versions of Brown Bess - one which was slightly olive and the other (the later one I believe, and the one I am after) is just a matt dark brown. More on this here (and plenty of other places):
http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic ... view=print

@DavidP

I have considered using Gloss 10 and then matting it as a last resort. I do have Hu 160 but that is definitely too 'red' for the applications I have in mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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I used to like the old Humbrol Authentic Brown Bess and switched to Chocolate after I ran out (not that long ago). I now use Vallejo Chocolate, although they have a few dark browns that you might find more suitable :juggle:

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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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Ratch wrote:
I now use Vallejo Chocolate, although they have a few dark browns that you might find more suitable


If I switched to acrylics I am sure my problems would be solved. Only problem is after 45+ years of enamels I am having trouble convincing myself... :?


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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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I used enamels for a similar period of time Dave. It was my wife's objection to the smell of white spirit and other thinners that made me switch to water-based acrylics. The hardest thing was parting with my 200+ tinlets of enamels :crybaby:

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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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I feel for you, Ratch, having my own hoard of Humbrol enamels, lovingly built up over decades. I would have made the switch too, probably, if I hadn't discovered Low Odour White Spirit, which pretty much solves the smelly fumes issue!

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 Post subject: Re: Hu 170 Brown Bess
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Answer to my own question - well sorta. Thought I would post in case anybody searches with the same issue...

I ended up going with Tamiya XF 10 Flat Brown. According to Urban's this is the nearest equivalent of Hu 98 Chocolate, but in my opinion it is a much better brown. Also, despite my original stipulation of an enamel I went with the acrylic instead as I find Tamiya's so-called acrylics with their isoprop base quite good for figure painting, though I don't like the effort they require to get an even cover on flat surfaces like vehicles, etc (again IMO). Anyway, it is available as an enamel as well.

XF 10 is not as dark as Brown Bess but is a good generic brown that should be easier to tint darker than Hu 98, which has a slightly lilac hue and sometime problem of drying with 'tide' marks.


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