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PostPosted: Fri 12 May 2017 08:54 am 
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I was hoping for some help in this one.... I want to do troops of tanks for the guards divisions. In 1/72 or 1/76 I need some info for what Guards units had what tanks please? What with the abundance of 'fast build' kits (cheap & in multiples) & the ease of obtaining decals, I thought they would make a nice set of displays. Also some guidance to specific markings (i.e. for individual troops or such) Any help will be greatly appreciated
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PostPosted: Fri 12 May 2017 09:34 am 
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1st of all, you will need to decide what period you are modelling- post D-day, or when the division was training in Britain: in NW Europe the division had Shermans and certainly M4A4s, but I will need to check my references.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 May 2017 10:01 am 
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Cheers czartan, post D-day, but I just had a friend mention Churchills & even Comets? Not sure if he winding me up as he has some kits he wants to offload on me (lol)
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PostPosted: Fri 12 May 2017 11:43 am 
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http://www.miniatures.de/toe-1944-guard ... ision.html

A few minutes searching online produced this- there is also an Osprey Vanguard I think.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017 10:35 am 
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I believe the Guards Armoured initially had M4A4 Sherman V, including Sherman VC Firefly, in each of the three tank battalion that made up the 5th Guards Armoured Brigade. I have seen photographic evidence to suggest that replacement Sherman 1C Hybrid and possibly Sherman II may have been issued by Sepember 44. The division also had an Armoured Recce unit (2nd Batalion Welsh Guards) with Cromwell and later some 17-pdr Challengers.

Churchill were issued to the independant 6th Guards Tank Brigade, but not to the division. I don't believe they were issued Comet either.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017 13:06 pm 
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Thanks for all the info, it's really helped

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jun 2017 23:43 pm 
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Dan Taylor Modelworks has:
- a sheet of transfers for the 2 Bn Irish Guards, 5th Guards Armoured Brigade. Markings are provided for specific vehicles comprising 6 Sherman Mks V, a Vc, Humber Scout Car, a Stuart Mk VI and a M9A1 Halftrack;
- a sheet of transfers for 2 Bn Welsh Guards, 5th Guards Armoured Brigade. Markings are provided for 4 specific Cromwell Mks IV and two generic Cromwells; and
- a sheet of transfers for Churchills including a Mk IV and Mk VII from the 6th Guards Tank Brigade.

There are also markings for specific and generic Guards AFVs in sheets of transfers from Starmers Armour, Aleran, Decalcomaniacs and Skytrex.
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According to Wikipedia (and I'm confident on their dates; less certain on units) the Comet didn't enter service until Dec 1944, and then only with the 11th Armoured Division. From memory of the original Matchbox PK-81 boxing history, only about 50 hulls actually saw combat before VE Day.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Jul 2017 09:38 am 
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Guards mostly had M4A4s, certainly these were the bulk of the division at Market Garden. The Welsh Guards had Cromwells, and after August 1944 Challengers (the earliest Challenger pics I've seen were taken at Flers after 'Bluecoat'. Attached Royal Artillery units had M10s and Achilles TDs.

The 'Battlefield Europe' series books on Bluecoat and Nijmegen have some good pictures. There is also the original Osprey Vanguard book on the Guards, I have this if there is something specific that interests you, but it's a bit of a disappointing source of images.

Churchills of 6Th Guards Tank Brigade worked with the division at the outset of Bluecoat, betting beaten up by some Jagdpanthers but getting their men onto the objective. The tank brigades were separate entities for infantry support, so Churchills were not part of armoured divisions as such. I am not aware of them operating with the division after late July 1944.

Comets only went to 11th and 7th, again delayed until early 1945 as Shermans were re-issued because of the German Ardennes Offensive.

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The following link gives the 21st Army Group tank strength in June 1944. As you will see the Guards Armoured Div main equipment was the Sherman V (M4A4). These were in the 2nd Grenadier Guards, 1st Coldstream and 2nd Irish Guards regiments. They also had Vc Fireflies.
The 2nd Welsh Guards, as the Division Armoured Reconaissance regiment was equipped with the Cromwell. I expect that at this time it would also have had Sherman Vc Fireflies, which in due course would have been replaced by the Challenger (probably from around August 1944) which at least would have had mechanical commonality with the Cromwell.
The Sherman V was the British Sherman of "choice" and therefore initial Firefly conversions were based on those. Later as hulls became scarce the Sherman I became more prevalent, especially it seems from photographic evidence, the hybrid variant to produce the Sherman Ic (hybrid). These also appeared in the Guards Armoured by the end of 1944.
For a bit of variety you could also build Stuart VI (M5 / M5A1) and the Cromwell VI (with the 95mm howitzer) and Crusader AA tanks which would have been in the HQ elements of some or all of the regiments.
www.niehorster.org/017_britain/44-06-06 ... _21AG.html


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