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Below you will find everything you need to know about Group Builds! If you have any comments or suggestions then post them in a separate thread.

Date of this version: 21 February 2017

What are Group Builds?
A Group Build is where we each make a kit on a particular subject or theme.  We share our experiences of our builds and discuss such things as problems encountered, different paint schemes etc.  The Group Builds are free to take part in but each participant is responsible for their own costs in purchasing and building their kits. The only time there will be an entry fee is if we should have Group Builds in order to raise money for charity.

Basically, the system works like this:

a. A subject is nominated as a Group Build.
b. Members vote on whether subject is suitable or not
c. If suitable, then a start date for the Group Build is chosen
d. Group Build takes place with each participant recording progress of their build in their own thread
e. Group Build ends with participants posting pictures of completed models
f. Models must be made specifically for the particular ATF Group Build and not ones that were made for Group Builds on other sites
g. Models must not be started before the GB and must be built entirely within the GB on the ATF, assembly must not be begun until the official Group Build Start Date (all timings being GMT/BST).
h. Subjects must be featured in our History of Airfix forum (including those of other manufacturer's kits) - Airfix mouldings and original toolings distributed by third parties (Dapol, USAirfix and MPC for example) are permissible, but kits moulded from other manufacturers' tools (Italeri and Gunz Sangyo for example) are only permissible when originating from Airfix packaging. If you are not sure, check the History of Airfix entry first.

More information on each of these procedures and other aspects of the Group Build setup are detailed below.

Types of Group Builds
There are now seven types of Group Build on this site;

Standard Group Build
We all build any scale of *Airfix kit as long as they match the subject. For example, a Bismarck build would allow us to build both the 1/600 and 1/400 kits.

Specific Kit Build
This is where we each build the same *Airfix kit. So, for example, we might each build the Airfix 1/144 Concorde, or the Airfix 1/72 dH Heron.  We would not mix and match scales as per the Standard Group Build.

Themed Build
This is where we all build something along a particular theme. For example, the theme might be RAF Heavy Bombers, Falklands Conflict etc. Participants in these builds can build anything that fits the theme. Something like a D-Day theme would be an open house with any ship, tank, aircraft, soldiers that appeared at the Normandy landing being made.  *Airfix kits only.

Conversion Build
This is where a conversion is carried out of a specific Airfix kit. For example, the chassis of an *Airfix vehicle could have a different cab and body put on it. These could either be non-specific conversions where everybody does their own particular conversion of the same kit or a specific one proposed by the Group Build leader who will provide the necessary references/drawings for the conversion.

Joint Build
This is a new type of build where members get together to build one project.  It could be a kit but it is not really designed for that.  It is really for the creation of dioramas.  The inaugural Joint Build is an Operation Sealion diorama.

Boss Builds
One of Ratch's perks for being the owner of The Airfix Tribute Forum is that I can pick and choose whatever I like!  These can be builds as described above or in the case of the ATF First Anniversary Group Build, anything goes - as long as *Airfix kits are used.

Charity Group Builds
Charity Group Builds are basically any of the above builds but there will be an entrance fee in order to raise money for charity.

*Airfix - note that where Airfix have reboxed other manufacturer's kits, such as the Heller 1/400 ships for example, you cannot make the original Heller kits or other manufacturer's boxings of the same kits.

Why were some Group Builds Airfix kits only and some not?
As this is the Airfix Tribute Forum, then it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that we want Airfix-only Group Builds. There are plenty of other places that cater for all makes of kits but not many where Airfix features prominently, if at all.
Having said that, certain changes to the rules had to be made when the administration of Airfix (in August 2006) was announced. It was not certain if Airfix would ever survive so we allowed any kits to be made.  This was a temporary measure and was cancelled in December 2006 after Hornby acquired Airfix securing the continuance of the brand. However, the following Group Builds had already been nominated by that time and so will  still be of any manufacturer and any scale:

Martin B-26 Marauder
NA P51 Mustang
Willys Jeep
Saab Viggen
Supermarine Spitfire
Junkers Ju88
de Havilland Mosquito
ATF Diorama Joint Build

All Group Builds after these revert to Airfix kits only.

Group Build Calendar
If you wish to see what Group Builds are underway, finished or planned for the future, then you should visit the relevant Group Build Calendar thread.

Nominating Subjects
If somebody wants to see a Group Build on a particular subject, then they should consult the Group Build Calendar thread to see if their subject has already been nominated or if it can be built as part of a future Group Build already scheduled to take place.

If it has not been nominated in the past, then they should make make a post in the appropriate Future GBs thread for other members to comment on their suggestion. It may well be that other members were considering similar Group Builds and so we may be able to combine them if necessary or co-ordinate them in some way so that we don't have too many similar builds going on at the same time.

If it appears that the subject will be a popular choice for a Group Build, then the person nominating the subject becomes Group Build Leader (GBL) for that (potential) Group Build and are responsible for overseeing the polling for Subjects and Start Dates, detailed below.  They also have to supervise the Group Build itself and ensure that members keep to the deadlines.

If a subject proves to be a non-starter, then the procedure goes no further.

Polling for Subjects
If interest has been expressed by other members in the nominated Group Build, then the Group Build Leader creates a separate thread formerly polling for members to express their interest.  The poll should run for a week or two and should be along the lines of:

Would you do an Airfix _______ Group Build ?
yes, in the next three months
Yes, in the next six months
Yes, but later than six months
No

Now, the reasons for these options is not just to get an idea of how many want to take part but also when it is to take place. If you wish to take part but do not have a preference for when it takes place, just choose "Yes". The "No" votes are not taken into account but just give an idea of how popular (or not) some subjects are.

You can also give a choice of subjects for members to vote on with the most popular choice being the subject of the Group Build. Where there is a tie, the  Group Build Leader will decide who the winner is - in consultation with the appropriate Group Build Guru.

Polling for Start Dates
Once the results of the first poll are known, members will then have to vote for a start date. Group Builds on the ATF last for two months and should be scheduled for this time period. In exceptional circumstances the Group Build period may be extended, but this is not usually necessary because of Group Builds Plus, and any extension must be sanctioned by the owning Guru after consultation. Group Build Gurus request creation of the relevant Usergroup for participants to sign up to before the Start Date Poll can take place. By signing up to the Usergroup, they will have access to the relevant thread in the Group Builds Start Date Polls Forum and a second poll will take place to select the start date.  Note, that if more people voted for either an earlier or later start, then that period should be selected for possible start dates. Example of poll below:

Vote for the Airfix _______ Group Build Start Date
15th September - 14th November
1st October - 31st November
15th October - 14th December

Setting up Group Build Forums
Two months prior to the start date an Administrator will create a new sub-forum for the Group Build (containing Reference and Chat threads). At this time, the Group Build Leader should create threads for each participant to record progress of their build. Note that at this stage, the Group Build will not have started yet but it gives participants time to research and exchange reference material, information etc and discuss the build prior to it beginning. Please do not start your builds until the specified Start Date.

Signing up for Group Builds
Click on "User Control Panel" (Top right hand corner beneath the Humbrol logo).

From the left hand "Options" menu, click on "Usergroups"

The usergroups menu will appear, scroll down to "Non-memberships".

To join your desired GB group, take the following steps;
1). Scroll down to the ''GB 2013 - Airfix Mustang'' and press the round button tab in the far right column.
2). Make sure the "Select" box is set to "Join selected".
3). Press the "submit" button.

Your membership to the GB will then be approved and your build thread set up.

Group Build Plus
Basically, Group Builds Plus is the archive for the ATF Group Builds which ensures the main Group Builds Forum only contains current and future Group Builds.  The "Plus" part of the title refers to the fact that the Group Builds are still open even though they have passed the official end date.  This allows the participation of members who could not for various reasons take part originally and new members too.  It also allows those who build rather slowly to continue the builds well after the end date.

Anybody wishing to join in a Group Build in the Group Builds Plus forum may start their own thread (some GBLs no longer frequent the forum, so this allows late-comers to participate without delay).

Group Build Gurus
The role of a Group Build Guru is to:

- promote and encourage Group Builds for their particular subject
- co-ordinate the polling of subjects to be considered for Group Builds for their particular subject in liaison with Group Build Leaders
- arrange dates for the Group Builds in liaison with Group Build Leaders
- assist me in maintaining the Group Build Status thread
- liaise with myself and other Gurus about Group Build procedures, rules etc.

Note that Gurus only have to avoid clashes within their own subject and not worry about the other subjects. If it means that some people may have to delay their participation in one Group Build because they are doing another one, then that is not a problem. We have already seen that members are quite happy to join in a Group Build well after it has started - or even finished. Hence the Group Builds Plus idea.

Group Build Gurus have access to a special Gurus Forum for the purpose of organising their Group Builds and for liaising with other Group Build Gurus.

Group Build Leaders
1. Anyone who nominates the subject(s) for a Group Build (GB) automatically becomes Group Build Leader.

2. The Group Build Leader carries out a poll of members to see if subject is popular as a Group Build. This is done in liaison with the Group Build Guru for that subject.

3. If subject is popular (i.e. three or more wish to take part), the Group Build Leader carries out a second poll of members to determine the start date of the GB.  This is also done in liaison with the Group Build Guru for that subject.

4. Once the start date has been agreed, the Group Build Leader has to approve members signing up for the GB via the Usergroups. [An Admin will set up a Forum and a Usergroup for the Group Build]. The Group Build Leader will automatically be a member of the GB Usergroup by virtue of being moderator for it.

5. Having approved a member, the Group Build Leader has to create a thread in the appropriate Group Build Forum for that member to record their build.

6. Once the Group Build has started the Group Build Leader should, as well as leading by example, monitor the progress of the participants. The Group Build Leader should also give appropriate encouragement when necessary to ensure that the end date will be met.

Group Build Galleries
Each Group Build Forum has a picture gallery thread so that participants can post pictures of their completed models.  Non-participants cannot post in these galleries.


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Just wondering, is there any prizes given out for best model etc. or is it just for fun and an easier way for people to talk about a specific build ?

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On the ATF there is no "Best" model, the ethos is to enjoy your build, and make it to your own satisfaction. Group Builds are fun but also allow people to share techniques and information about kits, there is no competitive element  :wink: .

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Some notes and clarifications for Group Build Leaders and participants  :arrow:
Where paricipants build several kits these should have individual threads.
For example; if Joe Bloggs joins the Spitfire GB and builds the 1/24 Mk.Ia 12001 kit that should have its own thread. Joe then builds two 1/72 Mk.IX 01001 kits, they can share a thread and the 1/48 F22/24 10190 gets another thread.
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In single subject Group Builds it would help if the scale and kit product code are included in the title
ATF Spitfire GB - Joe Blogg's 1/24 Mk.Ia 12001
In Themed Group Builds the build subject should be included in the title
6th Ann. GB - Joe Blogg's Spitfire Mk.IIa
We think that this will help others looking for construction and build tips  :wink:

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The original idea behind the Group Build was for a number of people to all build the same kit, learning by each other's efforts and collectively ironing out the bugs and errors  :idea:
This concept was extended by the suggestions to commemorate various anniversaries and to facilitate the harder to find kits that might prove difficult to acquire  :think:
All too often recently, the emphasis has been on widening the net to capture as many builders as possible on the flimsiest of themes  :x  Can we please try to make suggestions where the emphasis is on the group actually building something with at least the same kit name and not one that will just end up as a collection of loosely related subjects where no two people build the same subject  :idea:

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I would have to agree with you there Ratch.

I would much rather have many smaller, more specific GBs than one large one like the Naval GB. There are enough modellers in the ATF to spread the builds out.

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I agree too. Speaking from a Military Aircraft perspective, although there have been some single subject GBs over the past couple of years the last single kit build was the Douglas Devastator around four years ago. This was the main reason I added two single kit options in the last poll.

 While I realise single kit builds may not appeal to everyone I'd like to see a few more as there are plenty of subjects to choose from and most of them reasonably priced too. If possible I'd like to see them alternating so, for example, you'd have a single kit/subject GB followed by a themed GB.

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As guru for the civil builds, I have to say that if we went for a single civil subject, we'd likely never have another GB again. It's alright for the military aircraft and AFV builds as there are enough 'fans' of these subjects - and enough subjects - to allow this. We did manage to get Concorde and we did manage to get 737s as single type builds. There was a Rotodyne GB but it took 2 years to drum up enough support and run it - and even then we had very few completions. There just aren't enough civil subjects in production from Airfix to be able to run a single subject GB. If you want to go this way with the more esoteric subjects, then I'm afraid the minimum number of participants will have to be reduced!

Whenever I put up a poll with a list of single-subject type builds and include 'any civil aircraft', it's always the latter that take the most votes. And in any case, shiny white things all look the same, don't they  :P

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I have to agree with Dan above. Civil aircraft and ships are two distinct areas where the lack of kitted subjects, combined with fewer modellers wanting to make them, make a broad range GB appropriate. I would also be happy to see some single subject aircraft builds such as Lancaster, Me-109 etc where there should be enough support for a single subject GB.
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I know it's not like me to see both sides here but I can see that if a subject with a wide catchment is included in a pole with single types, due to it's wider appeal it will always tend to win the vote.

I can sympathise with Dan as well as the scope and availability of some kits in some areas is limited (I will finish my Rotordyne someday soon). Perhaps in the more popular genres the builds could alternate between single subjects and wider categories.

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I must say that I can also see both sides to the argument and Dan's point is, as I understood it, one of the reasons that we started to widen the scope of the Group Builds.

As GB Guru for Military Vehicles my personal preference would be for the single specific kit type group build as I feel it does make more sense if everyone is building the same kit and learning off of each other but (like Civil Aircraft, Dioramas, Ships and Figures) it is often difficult to get enough people to sign up for single subject builds.

On the other side of the coin I think that the builds with the wider scope do get a lot more people involved and interested in taking part than would be the case with the single subject builds so surely this is a good thing  :think: .

I therefore think that there is a need for both types of builds and I do like Tim's idea of alternating between the single subject and themed builds but this still may not work for things like Dan's section of Civil Aviation builds  :shrug: .  

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There really is a limited current range of civil aviation kits - Airfix.com lists 5, 2 of those are Comet Racers, one Boeing 727, one 737 and the old Fokker Friendship. Maybe Civil GBs could explore other areas like passenger/freight, set timeframes, engine type, etc?


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the only separate distinction I can see that would work for civil GBs are jet or prop variants.

Though I would say the separate distinctions would be relevant to only the military aviation GB's. For those large non-specific builds we do have the yearly Anniversary build. Otherwise we should start being more selective.

It boils down to this, which is better. 10 GB's of specific aircraft with 10 to 20 builds or 1 non-specific GB with 200 builds.

To be honest the recent naval build was too much to handle, too many builds going on, varieties from a WW1 Camel to modern f/a-18's. In some ways it was exciting, but in hindsight I think a lot of builds got lost in the mists and people started to get despondent, dropping out or loosing interest.

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Well, we did do widebodies a while back, which narrowed things down (figuratively speaking). But it's painful to get enough support for most single-subject GBs in the civil area. I aways wanted to have one 'open' civil and one 'single kit' civil GB per year - but it wasn't until last year we got much of a choice, and we'd already done the 737! A lot of our middle-aged members won't even have flown on a 727, let alone the younger ones, so where's the incentive on that kit? (As it happens it's the first type I did fly on - Dan Air back in 1980)

The distinct like of anything remotely interesting in Airfix's civil range doesn't help! Given the number of finished kits I see in the Airfix Civil gallery, I'm all for encouraging as many people to join in as possible and the best way seems to be to allow 'Any Civil Aircraft'.

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I don't think there is any wish to force certain types or numbers of GB's into all the genres, just a request to ensure that all the different types of GB get a look in where appropriate. Obviously the GB Guru's are there because of their knowledge of their specific areas and are therefore in a position to assess the builds and provide guidance where necessary.

My opinion is that I think we could do with a few more single kit and type GB's in certain areas e.g military aircraft, as these have been rather overshadowed by the theme GB's, (which have proved very popular).

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I've really enjoyed my first group build; Trainer aircraft. Unfortunately limited funds mean that my purchasing is almost non-existent at the moment so I'll be limited to what I have in the pile for further builds. I like the various options discussed; theme, type civil etc but have to agree that as the majority of Airfix kits are military aircraft - because that's what sells best - the participation will always favour those with that interest. Having said that I'm always browsing the clearance and sale bins so I may yet pick up a suitable kit for a future build (giving me a change from my stash of Hunters :D )

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We have amended the procedure for joining GBs within the Group Builds Plus area :arrow:
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Anybody wishing to join in a Group Build in the Group Builds Plus forum may start their own thread (some GBLs no longer frequent the forum, so this allows late-comers to participate without delay).

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Ratch wrote:
f. Models must be made specifically for the particular ATF Group Build and not ones that were made for Group Builds on other sites
g. Models must not be started until the official Group Build Start Date.

These rules also apply to kits bought second hand, that were started by their previous owner - they do not qualify for ATF Group Builds
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Hi Ratch,
Its the end of the work week and my brain is turning into mush, so just to clarify f:

1. Models being built as part of an ATF Group Build cannot be a part of a Group Build on another forum.

eg Say there is an ATF Galdiator GB and on another Site there is an Irish Aircorp GB. If a member of the ATF joins up for the Gladiator GB they cannot use that kit/build for the Irish AirCorp Gb on the other forum.

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